Agnosticism
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Thread Topic: Agnosticism
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The only thing that religion stands on that science can't compete with is the "you can't prove there isn't a God." argument. And in scientific terms, you can't make a claim on only the grounds that people can't prove that something doesn't exist.
Imagine if I said there was a rock that could resurrect the dead.
You would want proof.
But if my only response was, "you can't prove there isn't", would you find my accusation that there is a rock that can bring back the dead believable at all?
It's a logical fallacy. A conundrum of ignorance. -
You wouldn't be able to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there wasn't a rock that could bring back the dead. But with everything you already knew, you would be confident in saying that there wasn't.
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Let's not talk about religion,because I don't believe in any religion myself too.
First I wanted to make a thread about it,but I'm gonna ask you here.Well,don't you think all this order in the world and the fact that everything in the world works so perfectly could mean that a higher power-that is wise too- has made this world?A different kind of god.Not the one in religions. -
No.
Because the world doesn't work perfectly. -
How?
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How can I prove that something isn't?
What makes you think it is?
Our world works the way it does on two simply processes.
-Everything degrades.
-And living things don't want to die.
This isn't order. It's the way things turned out. You can't judge something as perfect unless you know every other potential outcome. But we don't. For all you know, there was a chance that human beings could be living over a thousand years and be exploring the galaxy as a flawless utopian society.
But we aren't.
There could have been a chance that earth's crust wouldn't have been plates and that natural disasters like earth quakes and volcanoes wouldn't happen.
But they do.
The universe we live in isn't perfect. It's just the only thing we've ever known. -
For example,look at a human's body.See how everything works so good,how all the organs cooperate to help the body keep alive.Is it an accident?
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Accident requires it was actually created via intelligent intention.
An accident would still require someone was trying to do something or had a goal in mind.
The human body doesn't work perfectly. Eyes degrade. Hearts quit out. The brain deteriorates. The human appendix has absolutely no use other than to one day explode and kill you. Lungs can fail. Teeth and hair fall out. The human body hardly works good.
Now look at other animals. If the human body is so good, why do octopi have better eyes? Why do dogs and cats have better ears? We aren't the most advanced. We're simply the smartest. In the real world, we'd be eaten alive. -
I never ever mean we have the best body.I mean that the way everything works,we can't say it's absolutely caused by pure accident,there's a great chance someone's made these.
What is it if it's not accident? -
Vik, you're ignoring what I'm saying.
Accident still requires that there be someone doing something intentionally. By using that word, you're still putting yourself in the grandiose mind set.
I'm not saying everything was an accident. I'm saying that it's the outcome that we came to.
Things aren't that complicated. Items gravitate towards each other. Cells reproduce and evolve. What are you wanting here?
You keep talking about "everything" but you aren't saying what "everything" is. But yet you want an explanation for "everything". I can't answer your question, until you can actually tell me what your question is. What is perfect? -
So just out of gravity and evolution the white cells that protect the body,the brain that lets us think,the heart that sends blood to all our body parts and the blood itself that carries and delivers oxygen to all our organs are created?
Why do we need oxygen to survive?Why not,let's say gas Uranium?
I see your point there,about evolution and that things are outcome what we've come to.It's true,but all this could've led to destruction and vain.Do you get what I mean? -
Actually, if I heard that there was a rock that may or may not exist that could bring back the dead (sounds like something from the Deathly Hallows), I'd probably keep it in consideration but not let the idea of it interfere with my life too much.
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^The sexism god. Who I refuse to worship.
This is why what I believe in isn't personified- I don't see a "good" god doing that sort of thing. What I believe in doesn't really interfere that much (moral-wise) and I wonder if it really counts as a "god" or is more a force of nature. -
@vik,
-white blood cells are produced by the body. They attack foreign things that inter the body. When you kiss someone, the white blood cells in your mouths attack each other. That's not defense. That's not a gift. That's just kill it because it might kill us. Living things don't want to die.
-The human brain developed as an evolutionary defense in itself. We aren't the strongest. Or the fastest. We don't have the best hearing or vision. Humans were getting their asses kicked. The ability to create tools came about because we needed something to stay alive. Living things don't want to die.
-Blood is created in the marrow of the bones. This process is commanded via the brain. The brain tells the bone marrow to make blood cells. The blood cells carry oxygen and nutrients to the body. The body maintains itself. The brain lives long enough to tell it to do the whole thing over again. Living things don't want to die.
-Oxygen is abundant. It also makes for a good fuel source. It reacts well with other components in the human body to produce energy.
You're right. This could have all led to destruction. But think before you say the odds are high. We are one planet out of eight in our solar system. We are one solar system out of a few billion in our galaxy. And we are one galaxy out of the upwards of a hundred million in the observable universe. I suggest you look into the drake equation. The odds of there being a planet that supports life are actually not that impractical. And our life isn't perfect. And just because it's the only type of life we've ever known doesn't mean that there aren't other ways to live. There's life Vic, but not as we know it.
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