Did they make the right choice making abortion illegal
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Thread Topic: Did they make the right choice making abortion illegal
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I think abortion should only be allowed in rape incest or to save the mothers life. Or, maybe to concede a little, allowed for like 10 to 13 weeks into pregnancy.
I just always think it's hard to morally argue whether a baby in the womb is "gonna feel" or "gonna know," that kind of thing. You wouldn't kill a toddler you don't want just because it's sleeping. And a fetus is still a functioning, living thing.
And personally, I think it promotes careless sexual behavior. I'm not saying everyone should stay abstinent till marriage, but if you're not gonna want a child, you should take simple measures beforehand like condoms or birth control or whatnot. And I don't like promiscuity. -
^^I cannot word as properly and fluently as bb45 unfortunately but I agree with most of what he said
Also heyo dude I haven't seen you on GTQ in a while, it's nice to have you back -
Here's what i DO understand:
Most incidents involving a mother dying from pregnancy are almost NEVER the result of the child.
And about the rape/incest thing?
Let me put it this way: two wrongs don't make a right.
No matter what kind of things you were put through, you don't get a right to kill an unborn infant because you were sexually abused.
Not to mention it enables Criminal behavior in abortion doctors.
Ever heard of Kermit Gosnell?
He was a real piece of s---. Don't look him up if you can't handle some f---ed up s---. -
Someone who has been raped has EVERY RIGHT not to carry the product of that. Plus children born out of incest usually have severe handicaps.
Getting an abortion isn't WRONG. It's healthcare.
Also wtf do you mean, complications in pregnancy never have anything to do with the fetus? You're.. Just incorrect. Please keep your incredibly dangerous misinformation to yourself. Lies like that kill people. -
Additionally. Making it illegal won't stop abortions, if you need one you'll find a way to get one.. And that is what opens the door for medical malpractice. Doctors who are doing this under the table don't always have the best intentions, but you f---ers want people to be desperate enough to seek them out anyways.
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I severely agree with chainsaw
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According to research sexual assault most often a result of toxic masculinity, which is a result of nurture, not nature.
So what does that mean? It means we need more competent parents raising children. We need a greater percentage of parents to have an high eq and to be able to provide a safe environment for their children.
If we're forcing women who aren't emotionally or physical ready to have children then we are perpetuating the cycle of abuse.
"Plenty of people would love to adopt."
Ok so why are there 2.7 million kids in the foster system? Let's not even go into how the foster system is incredibly unsafe for children.
Babies are innocent. Killing or hurting children is one of the worst things you can do. That's why I'm advocate for not bringing children into the world under unsafe pretences. Everyone deserves a good childhood. I don't want kids growing up troubled because their parents shouldn't have had kids to begin with.
If you're against children suffering you should advocate for them not being forced into bad situations outside of their control. -
@Chainsaw - While it's imperfect comparison, drugs are also illegal. People can die from taking drugs with dirty needles, overdose, etc. But that doesn't mean that we should be providing drugs in a safe manner just because people will try to get them whether they're legal or not.
I understand the viewpoint of my body, my choice. In a way, I completely agree with you. People should be able to make choices regarding their own bodies, but that's exactly why I'm pro-life. People often say "well it's my body, my choice" in regards to abortion, but what about the bodies of the millions of babies who are aborted? What about their bodies, their choices?
Also I wish you wouldn't resort to name-calling, it makes it a bit frustrating to debate when both sides can't be civil -
You're right, Spice, that was uncalled for. Ravager's take was particularly disgusting (truly, to believe getting an abortion and raping someone are on the same level of wrong at all.. that is disgusting) and this issue is one very close to my heart. Still, I could have left that bit out. To be clear, that insult was directed only at Rav for his opinion and people with similar viewpoints. Your reasons for being pro-forced birth are a bit different so I can give you a tiny bit more understanding.
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To SprinkledSpice,
You mentioned that many drugs are illegal, and we should not provide drugs to people even safely. The majority of adult Americans take prescription drugs daily. This can vary from anti-depressants to something more physical health related such as cholesterol medicine. Yes, prescription medicines are often abused and can lead to negative consequences, but what if we did not have access to these drugs? Many of these drugs help people live and survive. With any privilege like this, there is always abuse. People are losing access to healthcare. I hope this comparison can help open up your mind, or anyone else who reads this. -
My viewpoint is abortion should only be allowed if the person holding the fetus is at risk. If the baby is endangering their life, and only at that extreme, do I believe it is reasonable. I'm pro-life, but not against plan b medication, and believe it should be more available to limit abortions.
Babies get a heartbeat between 6-7 weeks. They are living. Yes the women should have a choice with their body, but the baby is a person too, and has rights that shouldn't be violated.
If a woman doesn't want their child, they can give them up for adoption. There are a lot of people out there looking to adopt.
A relative of mine has a kid, who she adopted. His biological mother had him as a teen. She could have aborted him, but gave him up for adoption. Now he is in college, and living a happy life. Did he deserve to die, simply because his mom didn't want him? Not all adopted kids suffer, and some live happy successful lives.
Yes, there is suffering in the world, but should we kill the fetus to not expose them to it? Everyone suffers at one point, some more than others. But just because one suffers, doesn't mean they shouldn't live. If you make this argument you're pretty much saying, 'hey your going to be depressed in the future, guess you shouldn't be born in the first place.' How can you predict what life a child will live? Abortions get rid of lives before they barely begin.
Again, in extreme cases, when a life is in threat, abortion is fine with me. But other than that, I am against it. What really needs to happen is more availability to protection, such as plan b, and proper education. You don't have to agree with me, just something to think about. -
like mint said, there are still over 2 million kids in the foster system. we don't need to add more to that number.
I'd say I'm neutral on abortion, but they should not be banning it. It's their choice on whether or not they want one, and it's nobody's business. -
@Sveltana - Thank you for your insight! I was referring not to prescription drugs, but to illegal drugs only ^^
^I agree with pretty much everything Rando said
I think due to the amount of children in foster care, there could probably be changes made to the system (such as not being so biased against gay couples adopting, altho I think it might have improved a bit tho I'm not sure) -
I don't think that letting gay couples adopt was improved at all, but I'm not 100% sure. But yes, I agree that they need to change that and let all couples that are eligible to adopt!
Actually, kind of off-topic, but I was looking around at the laws in different states, and Mississippi was trying to ban LGBTQIA+ couples from adopting, but the supreme court basically said "f--- you" and didn't let them do that lmao /hj -
PFFFT
Like even if you're against homosexuality and gay ppl and stuff like that, why would you keep kids away from loving parents who are willing to adopt them?? Being in foster care for most of your life without having a stable family sucks
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