There is a heaven... and there is a hell...
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Thread Topic: There is a heaven... and there is a hell...
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There is a heaven. Heaven is the smile on your friends face when they're happy to see you. Heaven is the hug from someone who missed you or the tear that comes with a smile at a happy time. Heaven is the hand of someone you love or the warmth of your loved ones body pressed against your own. Heaven is Love. And no Deity can tell me whether or not I can love.
There is also a hell. Hell is the look of disgust on your friends face when they find out you're an athiest. Hell is the kick in the ribs from a religious person at school or the tear of sadness from a religious parent. Hell is the heavy feeling in your heart when the person you love despises you for not believing. Hell is the uncomparably cold lonelyness of knowing that the people who used to care, now damn you for being different. Hell is pain. And followers of deities have made pain very real in my life.
I dont need an afterlife. When I die, I am very content to know that my body will rot in the ground and nothing will happen. I dont need a sequal. I want to live my life in happyness and love. But the most hateful and spiteful people I have ever met are those who believe they will live forever. This is why I hate religion. This is why I hate "God". Because he has never done anything but hurt me.
I know what you're all going to say. You're all going to say that you're not like that and that you dont judge people for their beliefs. I'm tired of hearing this response. Because even if you have never personally judged someone for their beliefs you're still in the same group as them. Religious extremists will always exist as long as there is a religion for them to hide behind. More innocent people have been killed in the name of your "God" than for any other reason in existance. Your very history tells you to hate others who are not like you. Your very history tells you to hate others who are like me...
I used to be religious... until I opened my eyes to what that ment... -
Wow... That made me want to cry. I felt that (even though there were a few spelling errors) that was really well phrased. And I believe you. That first paragraph really hit me hard. =)
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WOW! *claps*
I'm not gonna say it... -
This is deep. Really deep. As mg said, it touches you and makes you want to burst with some kind of emotion...
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Aww
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I actually do know how that feels..
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I know Carri... I know...
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My beliefs are quite different from much of the Christianity that is out there. Things like the Crusades and Inquisition were caused by the Catholics church, which was really a political/religious group that wanted power. They were very far from true Biblical Word. They would hate others for not believing in the Christian God, but they were no better if not worse than non-believers. They killed anyone who didn't believe in the Catholic church's way of religion, that includes Protestants.
And even today there are many hateful Protestant groups, such as the Westboro church, ect. All religions have had hateful and power-hungry ways to control others. That is because humans and human nature has many bad flaws in it. It doesn't matter religious or non-religious, I have met really bad and hateful people in my life. I've met people who have tried to manipulate me and tell me I'm a disgusting excuse as a human being.
The reason I believe what I believe in is because I've done research into a deeper branch of Christianity, one that makes sense to me. There's good and evil, plain and simple. This world is a mix of it. And I've looked even more into science as well. God didn't just magically make everything, he had science and reason for every single thing. I find it impossible for all the intricate most amazing life systems to have all just happened from a bang, even if you give it millions of years.
By the way I am very very sorry you have encountered all the cruelty and hatred of some religious people, but when you come down to it it's the person's personal choice, not the god's. God doesn't tell Christians to hate in his name, to cruelly treat non-believers and sinners. Those people, self-righteous and judgmental humans will get what they deserve. -
And it is people like you that make me sorry that i have to oppose religion. It is people like you that make me have to remember all the hatred that your calm words are hiding. Because it is times like this, with people like you around, that hurt the most. You are one of the closest religious friends I have Ana, and yet every time I look back on the religious people who hurt me, they were all my friends at one point. Every religious friend I have ever had, has not turned on me, but every person who has ever turned on me, was once a religious friend.
The hateful ones all act the way you do right now... They are always nice and supportive and defend their beliefs without being offensive...
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I am not saying you are one of them Ana... please dont think I am.
But it's people like you that make it hard to spot the ones who will strike. -
I'll never turn on you Ork, I'll never hate you if you never become a Christian or even hate me for being one (which you've never shown me you would). If I could make any promise to you is that I will be different from any of them you met. I give you my word, that you are like a brother to me, just as my friends here are like brothers and sisters, and I will never use my religious beliefs to hurt you, nor would I use any other reason. I truly mean this from my heart. :3
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I hope that I can be apart of your heaven as well, to be a true and kind source always in your life. :) Even if we have had disagreements like siblings in the past, that doesn't mean I don't care about you.
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I dont hate anyone for their beliefs Ana... You know this. But even you cannot deny the hatred that is circulated around this world because of religion. To paraphrase what I said before, Religious fueled hatred will always exist as long as there is a caring religion for it to hide behind. I will never hate you Ana. But I do hate the community you associate yourself with. (if that makes sense)
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I have my heaven Ana. Personally, to expect an eternity of happyness sounds selfish. It makes it sound like people cant just be happy with what they have. I'll take the happyness I have in life and I'll be content with that. I dont need anything more. I've accepted that once I die, I'll be dead. Period.
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I agree with that very much, I don't like the extremists of the Christian community. I don't associate with the haters, I only associate with truly kind-hearted and loving believers, who believe God is the source of positive and love, not hate. To be honest I never really even liked church because of how fake and hateful many people I knew in the past were. But when I moved to Maine I found the first church I ever felt comfortable and happy in. They truly are what God wanted us to be. They support much aid in countries like Africa and Asia, and actually practice what they preach. No humans will ever be perfect, but being around those you love, whether believers or non-believers, is what's important.
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