I want to be a devout Christian
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Didn't see your 2nd comment anastasia. Well I'm tired as s--- right now and #1 I'm not a scientist but uh it takes tons of time for evolution to take place so anything can change and reptiles and the first birds have very similar bone structure dude thats one of the reasons scientist think that.
#2 Good question but thats the beauty of nature, it's just crazy s---. You want to know see a little proof of evolution look at any animal on the planet but to pick a few out theres praying mantids giraffes and walking sticks.
#3 I don't really know the actual dynamics of carbon dating but why wouldn't heavier things go further down than lighter stuff? Mix some pudding and water together and see what you get. How bout you explain to me how it is that dinosours exist but christians used to think that the earth was only 5000 years old? Explain how there is some all powerful magical guy up in the clouds making everything everywhere happen? I could go on forever but this is already long as hell. -
evolution is evident by many more processes then carbon dating fossils, frankly the fossil argument is so old its giving mi ass chap.
facts: dna and rna samples can be taken from old bones and corralated with current dna. in this way we can "prove" what the old things turned into, using a mathematical formula based on the mutation rate AND reprocussions scientists can form hypothesis about the age, which can be SUPPORTED by carbon dating.
the fact is mutation/evolution is simple change. it does not presuppose that it should millions or even thousands or hundreds of years. every minute the human body undergoes 2 dozen mutations in each cell on average.
entire new species can form from beetles in 15 generations, the expirment taking less then a week and a half.
i think that the question we should be asking, is not wether evolution exists but what is driving force behind it? if suddenly human food supply dwindles and we evolve to survive-would that be the result of divin intervention, the "force of nature" -
How can a completely new species possibly be made, like where does this new DNA come from? It could be a mutation, or a loss of DNA, but where does the new generic material and information come from? How does the organism make this new creation?
Also if man descended from monkeys and apes, why are there no half breed or mixed primates of human and ape DNA still today? The process should still be occuring if it is a valid process. Where are the other half breed things and completely new kinds of species today?
@Ellis God is science, he uses science to make all those things happen, he created science. If evolution is a valid argument then God had to create it. Things didn't just happen by accident or magic. -
I also can relate to an atheist who doesn't know a lot about science that they believe in as complete truth, it's the equal to a Christian that doesn't know a lot about God. And the key to each belief, faith.
I can't give every single reason why I believe in God, I've been agnostic many times. All I can say is what feels right in my heart, and what gives me the most comfort. Not to say I am the most devout Christian and understand it all, but I'd rather believe there was something of greater power in my life, that gives things meaning, and really does love me, because my faith in mankind and it's truths is dying. -
:D yay ana-kin lol you've joined discussion
DNA is a bunch proteins wrapped up and foled in different ways, like virus it never dies because it was never alive.
there is no "original DNA" the farthest thin from humans is the worm and it shares 50 percent genetic match with us. the way we draw the line between species then is
1 they are reproductively isolated
2. they significant difference in lifestyle habits (does that answer your question?)
and also i never said we evolved from apes infact that isn't even part of evolution theory. HOWEVER if that were the case then i suppose you could consider chimpanzee, gorrila and others among the primates your "half breeds" if you have to have them. -
@Anastasia HAHAHAHAHA Saying god did it means that it WAS magic.
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actually it's not really any different from saying gravity holds you to earth ellis. what she is saying is that god created evrrything, and the fact that it is not magic comes from that: magic is "supernatrual" however if god created evrrything then it sll exists in one level of reality that is neither magic nor science. it is simply what "god" made
i repeat my previous argument
"godi think that the question we should be asking, is not wether evolution exists but what is driving force behind it? if suddenly human food supply dwindles and we evolve to survive-would that be the result of divin intervention, the 'force of nature?' " -
@Anastasia Wait I just read your last post and that is retarded I don't have blind faith in science that I don't know alot I didn't list tons of s--- cause I'm tired and that's way to much to type. You may have your faith but guess what I don't need that science has actual proof.
Science takes people to the moon, religion flies planes into buildings. -
no. science CANNOT be proven. only dissproven.
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@Slim-kin good points though I still don't understand why evolutionists say it takes millions of years for these processes to happen, let alone billions. If that were true then you have to think about a star's life. Shouldn't the sun have or start blowing up, possibly turning the solar system into a black hole?
@Ellis no not really, think of how intellegent, scientific and creative we are as humans. Is it impossible that there is even higher intellegence that is probably infinit out there? Maybe "God" is either just higher being and there are other higher beings we don't know about, or "God" is the infinite presence of higher knowledge. -
Whoa I late posted.
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Slim what the fudge do you mean no. science CANNOT be proven. only dissproven. that makes no sense thats what science does it proves and dissproves stuff.
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that was my point. evolution/mutation can take millions of years or 2 seconds depending on need. evolutionist (to the best of my knowledge) believe that also.
also the critia for "god" is that it is:
1ALL knowing
2 ALL powerful
3 ALL loving
anything less is not "god"
our own scientists and programmers are able to wip up life AND evolution equal to our own in a matter of hours
the ability to create civilization does not make ANYTHIN a god. though "god" must also have that power -
The only way you can prove anything for sure, Ellis, is if you were an actual witness to what happened. It is quite possible that all the knowledge we have right now is a tiny piece of the the pie. Things that are told change slightly with each generation. Also think about all the different galaxies and universes there are. In a way everything is full of infinite possiblities. How can we as a single species as humans say we have all the answers? I apologize if this is a late post :P :)
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as i said science cannot be proven. if you fact look at qauntam mechanics. but science is only science if
1. it can be dissproven
2. it is supported by sufficient trial by experiment
3. the experiment must be repeatable
since it would take unlimited experiments to PROVE a scientific theory (which currently impossible) then science is a thing that can never be proven. only dissproven
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