Bible Teachings or Traditions of Men?
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Thread Topic: Bible Teachings or Traditions of Men?
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Alter2Ego NewbieALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:
As a Christian who has much respect for God's inspired word, the Judeo-Christian Bible, I frequently meet people who follow religious teachings that are not found anywhere in the Bible. Two of the most basic but questionable teachings in Christendom are as follows:
1. THE TRINITY
The teaching that God is split up into three individual persons that are combined into one "Godhead" (Father, Son, and holy ghost/holy spirit). All three of these persons are said to be CO-EQUAL (meaning they have the same power) and CO-ETERNAL (meaning they have always existed at the same time and none of them can die).
2. HELLFIRE
The teaching that God will burn a person's soul in everlasting hellfire for committing wicked deeds. In other words, God will supposedly punish people forever in fiery flames of hell--despite the fact the crimes the persons committed were only done during the persons' brief human lifespan.
QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSION:
1. Are there scriptures in the Bible to support the teachings of Trinity and hellfire? If so, present the scriptures by giving Bible book, chapter, and verse and also explain why you believe the scripture you present is talking about Trinity or literal hellfire.
2. Why are these teachings found in pagan/false religions that never worshipped the God of the Judeo-Christian Bible? For instance there were pagan trinities at least 200 years before Jesus came to the earth as a human.
A. In the 2nd century B.C.E. (two centuries before Christ came to the earth), Egypt had a triad of gods consisting of (1) Horus, (2) Osiris, and (3) Isis.
B. Likewise, in the 2nd century B.C.E. (two centuries before Christ came to the earth), Babylon had a triad of gods consisting of (1) Ishtar, (2) Sin, and (3) Shamash.
C. In fact, during the 1st century AD when Jesus was on earth, Palmyra, which was an ancient city in Syria, had a triune god which consisted of (1) moon god, (2) Lord of Heavens, and (3) sun god.
3. If the Trinity and hellfire are Bible teachings, why is it that Jesus and his apostles who followed him around never taught anyone about the Trinity and literal hellfire?
4. How is it that both the Trinity and hellfire teachings did not become "Christian" teachings until the Roman Catholics copied both of them from pagan/false religions--AFTER the resurrected Jesus Christ returned to heaven?
5. If hell is a place of literal fiery torment, how is it that the Bible says Jesus went to hell for the entire three days that he was dead?
"He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that HIS SOUL WAS NOT LEFT IN HELL, neither his flesh did see corruption." (Acts 2:31--King James Version)
6. If hell is a place of literal torment, why is it that the word "hell" also means "Sheol" and "Hades" and "the grave"?
7. Does the Bible teach that humans have an immortal soul that survives the death of the person so that the soul can then be burned in eternal flames? If so, please present scriptures to this effect to prove it.
8. Are the words "Trinity" and "Godhead" in the Bible? If so, were those words part of the original writings? -
1. The largest issue with the bible is that every individual chooses what they want to interpret as literal and what they want to interpret as symbolic. What you view as symbolic and meaning something else, someone might take literal. And vice versa.
2. Alot of religious scripture is reused over and over again in new religions. All that usually changes are minor details and names.
3. Because religion is a lie?
4. Because all of religion is a lie?
5. Because the religious stories are lies?
6. See #2
7. Scripture isn't evidence. It's an article of faith. Faith is the denial of observable evidence so that belief may be preserved.
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Alter2Ego NewbieTHE TRICKSTER:
That part isn't symbolic.
There was a talking snake with legs.
The earth was made in 6 days. The length of the days couldv'e been different.
Aitheists have simply penetrated society in such a way that you have probaly only seen aitheist s---.
Have you ever actually looked at the geological column or just in your science book?
Generaly no.
I have looked and the geological colum and there are single entitys that are through hundreds of millions of years. I have seen mixed up geological columns first hand. wbu?
It wasn't laid down over a long period of time.
Why is it that before all this s--- started flying the bible was written and it still holds.
I can rant too
ALTER2EGO -to- THE TRICKSTER:
The Bible does not say anything about a talking snake with legs. Neither was the world created in six literal 24-hour days. When the Genesis creation account uses "days," it is from the standpoint of Jehovah God who is eternal. God and does not apply literal 24-hour days to himself.
"Before the mountains themselves were born, or you proceeded to bring forth as with labor pains the earth and the productive land, even from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God." (Psalms 90:2 -- New World Translation)
"Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God." (Psalms 90:2 -- King James Version)
DEFINITION OF "ETERNAL":
"without beginning or end; existing through all time; everlasting" (Source: Webster's New World College Dictionary)
The time span of literal 24-hour days applies only to humans.
The rule of thumb is this: Whenever the Bible uses the expression "day" and it's only with reference to Almighty God and does not include humans, the time span is unknown.
NOTE: Even when the Bible assigns a specific time span to Jehovah, it is in direct connection to his relationship to mortal humans. I will give you examples of this, if you wish.
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"That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." (Psalms 83:18) -
Butterflykitten NewbieHow can you call religions false when there is no real proof of Christianity?
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because some people can't look at art unless an apple looks like an apple. -
Butterflykitten Newbie'The time span of literal 24-hour days applies only to humans.'
Correction:
'The time span of literal 24-hour days applies only to beings living on a planet that takes 24 hours to turn.' -
This forum was dead, this thread was especially dead. Don't bring back dead threads.
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Alter2Ego NewbieALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:
If someone were to mention the two president Bushes and Jeb Bush (1) George H. Bush, Sr., (2) George W. Bush, Jr., and (3) Jeb Bush during the same sentence, does that mean they are talking about a trinity (meaning those two presidents and their son and brother, respectively, are combined into one person? That is what Christendom's trinity means: that there are three people combined into a single entity.
Using the example I just gave with the three men in the Bush family, the mention of God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the holy spirit within a single verse of scripture does not equate to three entities combined into one person. Remember, Christendom's version of a trinity was officially defined by the Roman Catholics about 300 years after Jesus' sacrificial death and his return to heavenly life. Jesus and his 12 apostles never promoted such a teaching.
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"That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." (Psalms 83:18) -
Yes, but when reading the original Greek and Hebrew writings of the bible it is practically stated. Seriously, have you ever read the Bible or learned even the slightest bit of Greek and Hebrew?
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Alter2Ego NewbieALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:
The fabricated term "Godhead" goes hand in hand with the false trinity teaching that was officially introduced into Christianity by the ROMAN Catholic Church, beginning in 325 CE/AD at the Council of Nicaea. On that occasion, about 300 Catholic bishops met. At that time, Roman Emperor Constantinea non-Christian who was not baptized until he lay dyingpresided over the Nicaea Counsel and, as stated by the Encyclopedia Britannica:
"Constantine himself presided, ACTIVELY GUIDING THE DISCUSSIONS, and PERSONALLY proposed... the crucial formula expressing the relation of Christ to God in the creed issued by the council, [that Christ was] 'of one substance with the Father.' "
Keep in mind that Jesus died and returned to heaven in 33 C.E. and this idea that would later evolve into the trinity did not officially become Roman Catholic dogma until 325 C.E. (almost 300 years after Jesus left the earthly scene). Also keep in mind that the ROMANS who executed Jesusprior to adopting Christianity as the state religionhad a long history of polytheism (worship of many gods). It was therefore a simple matter for the ROMAN Catholics to graft various pagan/false religious teachings into their corrupted version of Christianity. One such teaching became the "Christian" version of trinity or worship of a triune/triad (three-in-one) god.
Christendom's trinity, written in Article I of The Catholic Faith, is defined as follows:
"There is but one living and true God, everlasting, without body, parts, or passions; of infinite power, wisdom, and goodness; the maker and preserver of all things both visible and indivisible. And in unity of this Godhead there be three Persons, of ONE SUBSTANCE, POWER, and ETERNITY; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost."
Not only is it a fact that the word "trinity" does not appear anywhere in the Judeo-Christian Bible, there are no scriptures in the Bible to support this false teaching. Not one. Yet, the pagan Trinity dogma has been the central doctrine of Christendom for centuries.
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"That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." (Psalms 83:18) -
It was introduced by Catholics because they have Jesus, who they see as the Son. When reading the original Hebrew text of Genesis (and several other books of the OT) there are serveral instances where "God" is referred to in the plural form, in the singular form, and as three people. Please, if you're going to preach about religion educate yourself about it first.
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Alter2Ego NoviceALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:
The teaching of literal hellfire torment is commonplace in Christendom and non-Christian religions. This teaching defames the Creator and portrays him as a sadist who tortures people in flames of fire for all eternityas punishment for wrongdoing committed during the relatively brief human lifespan.
The hellfire dogma was brought into Christianity by the Roman Catholics who copied it from pagan religions. (Pagans are those who do not worship the God of the Judeo-Christian Bible.)
The Bible makes it clear as to how God views the ritual burning of people. Jehovah ended up rejecting the ancient Israelites after they got involved with pagan worship, which included burning their children to death.
"And they [the Israelites/sons of Judah] have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that HAD NOT COME UP INTO MY HEART." (Jeremiah 7:31)
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"That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." (Psalms 83:18) -
Often times in the Bible, Jesus will refer to Gehenna as a place of punishment in the afterlife. Gehenna is Hewbrew for Hell.
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