Religion in Politics
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Thread Topic: Religion in Politics
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Yes I know I put this in the Wine cellar, but I thought I might get more opinions on here because it has to do with both subjects.
I think it's wrong to have religion as a factor in the important decisions of our country. Yes religion can be used as a moral code, but it also has a bad side.
For example, abortion. People who have a religion are against this because it's Gods work. But not everyone in American believe in God or have a religion. So why should those who do not abide by a religious lifestyle have to abide by religious laws and rules? We have representation through Congress, then why don't they represent our views on same sex marriage or abortion? -
Just saying on Abortion.... Back in the 1950's and back when people did not want to have that baby....the baby was born and then given up for adoption! We should do that still....so other people who want a baby but cannot have one can have a baby through adopting! We should not kill vantage before they are born!
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But it's a persons choice to do what they want, like get an abortion, they shouldn't be denied that right just because other people follow a book that gives them morals. It's all about personal choice. Those who have religion shouldn't limit those who don't and want to do those things that religion doesn't allow.
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I still can't believe you're a girl
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@Appy, it was not the Child's fault!
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It wasn't the woman's fault either, but she can actually make decisions.
So you still view an unborn child as having more rights than a woman.
Let me edit my original statement.
You sick woman-hating f---. -
I'm pro-abortion-is-no-different-than-birth-control-you-idiot
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WELL, thanks :-/ (please note, sarcasm) I am a girl so I don't think I hate women/girls!
HEY, childbirth is not really that traumatizing!
Besides, I was the result of a rape and my mum said (she is dead) she said that she was glad that she did not abort me...... -
@UnLvong
Birth Control...don't get me started!
It's as bad/worse then abortion
it is terrible! -
-Wanting a woman to carry an unwanted child to term means that you place more worth on a handful of cells that dont even have sentience yet than on a living breathing woman who has had life experiences and has dreams and can actually contribute to society and fall in love and (possibly, if she wants to) later raise children when they are economically stable, socially acceptable, wanted, and emotionally well taken care of.
The adoption process is very difficult to navigate and not every state has laws that even allow a parent to have an open-adoption or have any access to/knowledge of that child after its born (if thats something they happened to want) -OR- to even have the option available one day if they arent sure just yet.
Adoption agencies are heavily overcrowded, and (forgive my exhaustion to grab statistics right now) a much-too-high percentage of children end up in foster care. This usually happens for the following reason:
Unless the child is white, pretty, young (beyond 8yo is often too old), perfectly healthy, able-bodied, has no other known defect or disorder, the chance of being adopted at all is VERY, VERY low. These children are often placed in foster care considerably quicker; and, because of their imperfections face a higher risk/likelihood for the following
The children that dont fit that exact mold are often tossed around for years and mishandled by the system alone, and due to the greater likelihood of being placed in in foster care early, face a dramatic increase in the chance for emotional, psychological, physical, spiritual and/or sexual abuse. Children without imperfections face a heightened risk for this once in foster care; children with flaws border on a guaranteed percentage of experiencing abuse somewhere in their foster care journey.
While there are many positive adoption stories and sometimes couples who are particularly noble who do seek out children with handicaps, special needs, are children of color, or are not in infancy the ratio where that isnt the case is still drastically lopsided.
Again, while some (parents and children) have had positive adoptive experiences, navigating the difficult and emotionally tumultuous journey of telling a child theyre adopted can be very very painful and cause a lot of psychological damage for both the child and adoptive parents.
Again, this is IF THE CHILD IS ADOPTED AT ALL.
Children who reach adulthood without ever being adopted face a much greater risk at falling to unhealthy lifestyles (gangs, crime, prostitution, you get the idea), addictions, and untreated mental health troubles. Also, these adult children tend to be much more often lacking in education and literacy. (Again, sorry for my lack of seeking out proper percentages. It doesnt make my facts any less accurate).
Even if adoptive parents were plentiful and every child was wanted, the adoption process is expensive, tricky, and riddled with emotional, psychological and financial troubles.
I, or the pregnant person, still has to go through the pregnancy to PUT the child up for adoption.
As mentioned above, pregnancy is SO expensive and even if I personally found an adoptive couple like the storybook idea of Juno who would pay for my prenatal needs and hospitalization costs holy emotionally and psychologically tumultuous!! An abortion, eliminating a not-yet-a-human collection of cells is DRASTICALLY different than handing over a living, breathing, crying, lovely child and having to live with the idea you didnt want THAT. No, an attachment to an abundance of cells is much easier to acknowledge you parted with, than having to say goodbye to a baby that you just painfully and exhaustively birthed, and that youve carried with you every single day and nurtured to life for nearly a year.
^ Thats saying a lot from me knowing how much I got attached to my collection of cells who didnt make it from a miscarriage. I chose to keep that baby and wanted that baby, and he was past termination stage. But even though I got heavily attached early on, I can still agree, I could part with with (and easily live with myself after) a little sack of biology with no sustainable life than I (and most people) EVER could a newborn that they just birthed who is now fully a person.
On that note, even if a pregnant person decides on adoption as their path - that very difficult emotional experience in the notation above occurs so often that mothers (who even know they cannot rightfully care for a baby), will still turn around and KEEP that child after its born. Even though they know they cant care for it, didnt want it, have no preparation or availability in their life for a baby, or even HAVE an adoptive family ready. It can be THAT difficult to do. And, youd think this is a one in a million thing, No. Its not. I wish I felt like googling, but my close friend does this as her job (to navigate pregnant persons through the adoption process), and in a year alone, shes already had SIX mothers do this.
One more time: putting a child up for adoption, DOES NOT MEAN they will EVER be adopted.
If I were a PoC or pregnant to a PoC, I cant even imagine considering adoption knowing just how unlikely the child is to ever be adopted; and that by my skin colour alone (or partners, if consentual), Id somehow be making it less likely for that child to ever be placed in a home. Thats a lot of guilt to bear. (Not that they should feel that. Its not something theyre responsible for. Its societys fault that thats the case, not their skin colors.) But, Im sure itd still probably feel and be internalized that way for many pregnant persons of color.
Annnd, until the day that child is born, given how many things can go wrong in the birth process, there is still no way to guarantee that child will be able-bodied and healthy. And, if it isntthats right..massive decrease in the chance that child will ever be placed with family.
let's not forget
-children who are surrendered to adoption are more likely to have learning disabilities, general difficulty in school, and issues with depression and low self esteem.
-children who are surrendered to adoption are more likely to have eating disorders
-children who are surrendered to adoption are more likely to be placed in "corrective schools" or locked out of their home.
-parents who surrender their child to adoption are more likely to have adverse long term effects, such as depression, than someone who elects to end their pregnancy.
-parents who surrender their child to adoption are more likely to experience secondary infertility or require a hysterectomy than the general population.
-despite the growing trend of open adoptions, there is nothing that legally binds adopters to the agreement made with the natural parent(s). ie if a parent surrenders their child to an open adoption, under the agreement that they will be able to visit the child once a year and receive letters or emails on how their child is doing, if at any point the adopters no longer want to abide by that agreement, they can stop giving the natural parent access to their child, without any legal consequences. most open adoptions are closed (meaning that the natural parents have no contact with their child) within the first five years. -
let's not forget, that if you oppose birth control, then you have no right to oppose abortion because the fact of the matter is that people aren't going to stop having sex because you say so and that it's a NATURAL INSTINCT
birth control is making sure they don't get pregnant, this means less pregnancy and less unwanted children, and less abortion.
go ahead, now tell me how awful abortion is after reading everything I sent you, I DARE you. -
Ohhhh Horses is one of those.... -
I LOVE THOSE THREE POSTS, THANK YOU.
Permission to quote if this argument comes up elsewhere? -
I AM THE ANGRIEST EGALITARIAN YOU'VE EVER MET
YOU'VE GOT ALL THE DAMN PERMISSION IN THE WORLD TO QUOTE ME BECAUSE I LOVE YOU APPAY -
@Unloving
I am one of WHO??
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