Feminists.
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Thread Topic: Feminists.
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This went from a 2 sentence joke to 4 paragraph responses.
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holy s---. It only happens once in a blue moon, but from post 1, I've been agreeing with IHLAOY.
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I haven't read the entire thread, but when somebody has references in a rant it has gotta be good.
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You want sources? My history book touched base on feminism saying that people were against it because it deviated from traditional home values. Now that not all of what oppresses women today but its still there. You ever see those 'cool story babe now go make me a sandwich' shirts? Do I even need to go into something so self explanatory? Yes this is seen as a joke but its derogatory saying that all women belong in the kitchen. Now don't get started on 'every race and gender and religion will get derogatory jokes' because those jokes aren't put on t-shirts. Also those shirts are allowed in schools but I'm not allowed to wear a tank top because my shoulders might just tempt a teacher or another male peer to attack me or not pay attention in class.
Sure my feelings and thoughts don't outweigh your evidence but they do count for something. You want to see what I mean? Be a woman through middle school and high school. Has any one ever come up to you asked for a hug then grope your ass? A stranger ask for you to show them your genitals just because they see that they are bigger than everyine elses? Have you ever had one of your friends (whose the opposite gender) just be sitting next to you and grab your privates like its their business and call you a b---- for getting angry at them? Have you ever told a teacher about it and hear them say "well boys will be boys"? Has someone ever felt entitled for you to be in a relationship because you've been really good friends for years and they've been so nice to you that they deserve you, like a trophy? And when you say no this person stops being your friend because if they can't have you romantically then what's the point? And then having people be bewildered that you can do something the opposite sex can do and having no one blink an eye at them, but think you're suddenly gay for doing so when really you just enjoy doing it?
I don't know about you but that is basically what almost every girl goes through their entire life. Some even have it harder, but were the outrageous ones when we want to be treated equally instead of bred and raised sex objects for everyone to enjoy. Please enlighten me as to why that is.
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That popcorn isn't supposed to be there. Sorry bout that
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But...but derogatory jokes for all races are put on shirts. You've never seen a 'kiss me, I'm Irish' shirt? Or any shirt making fun of nerds? Hell, Tim the racist down the street just bought a shirt about the flying spaghetti monster. And even if derogatory jokes were only focused on one particular trait out of millions of potential traits, a joke is just a joke. It's meant to be funny, to make people laugh. Jokes aren't the weapon of some hidden agenda to legalize rape, they're completely none serious statements intended to make people laugh. Only a fool would take a joke seriously, even if they didn't find it funny.
And I hate how you assume I'm not a female just because I'm going against you. News flash, Banana, I'm a girl. Always have been, always will. I went through high school, and if my country had middle school I would have gone through that too. And every single thing you've mentioned has been ANECDOTAL! It's not evidence, it doesn't count for anything. We have no way to prove it happens daily, no way to prove if it happened once, no way to prove if it happened at all. Claiming the sky is red does not make it so; show me the evidence. I can't believe I'm even humoring you with this instead of just stamping the whole paragraph with 'anecdotal' and being done.
I went through life, and I experienced nearly none of that. (Notice that, since my anecdotal evidence contradicts your anecdotal evidence, neither is now correct.) Did I occasionally suffer harassment? Yes. So did everyone else. It's not a woman specific deal, there is no culture out to 'bred and raise you as a sex object.' The very idea is crazy. It's the sign of a mental illness, nearly. 'Every male on Earth is out to get me!' It's crazy and I can't understand how anyone takes it seriously.
People call you outrageous not for trying to be treated equally, we're already treated equally, but for mistaking equality with a world where no one is mistreated. -
HOLY DAMN s---. IHLAOY is a female?!
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Any-ways, I agree with IHLAOY. I'd type up my own statement, but y'know, I'm on an iPod. That'd be annoying.
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Your history book isn't a source. Online sources are what is needed here.
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"Why can a woman file a false rape claim and get a man kicked out of collage, yet a man can't even report he's been raped without social backlash?"
If you actually read the paragraph, you would know the answer to this question.
The rest of your argument is just right-wing bulls---. :) -
Ad hominem. Nice.
If you actually read my paragraph, you'd see you're taking that question out of context.
But of course, that doesn't matter. You can nitpick my words all you want, unless you can provide me with even a single piece of evidence for rape culture, I think we're done here. You have no argument, there is literally nothing to discuss. -
(I'm not getting back into this because we are both saying the same things yo each other over and over again. I just wanted to tell you IHLAOY thar from the first time I met you I thought you were a dude not just because you were going against me with this particular subject. What can I say, the internet is deceiving)
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Oh boy, statistics. Now all you need to do is put those in an argument to prove your point. Because, you know, simply putting a ton of references down doesn't mean anything if you don't make a claim with them.
So tell me, how does any of this prove rape culture?
Also, don't be that communist. The one that gets all passive aggressive when they're called out. I called it bulls--- because it has nothing to do with the argument at hand, not because it's simply communist. If you want to connect your economic system to the argument, feel free to do so, but make sure it actually fits. -
Alright, I'm back.
Now, this is slightly better, but I don't see how your references relate to your argument. I understand there are disturbing things in the world, but what is your point?
Something about gender roles, I can see, but that's more of a side note than anything. All you've done is put down your sources and explain what they say, but you still haven't related them to an argument.
Cause, from what I can see about this, your argument is 'gender roles cause problems, since prison rape uses the word b---- and women are more likely to be raped in prison. (Something which I've already disproved using a more recent study and will reinforce with a secondary source.)[1]'
Also, your statistics in the last paragraph? They were taken from twelve year olds. Call it a fallacy, but maybe people too young to have sex shouldn't have valid opinions on it.
Also, I like how you omitted the fact that 79% percent of females believed rape was acceptable if the two were married and that one in ten men are sexually assaulted in their adulthood.
Not that this makes your statistics any less valid, but it does throw into question their reliability and add a sense of perspective.
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God damn, no urls.
pcar.org/statistics-prison-rape
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