Feminists.
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Thread Topic: Feminists.
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Next time you try and make a campaign for equal rights among genders.
Choose a name that makes sense. -
Go ahead and b---- all you want. It won't change the fact that every woman is disrespected by men at some point in their life. Be part of the solution or be part of the problem.
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Do you even have a s--- clue how things work?
Let's pretend it's like money. You got one guy with 500 dollars, and one guy with 300 dollars. They then both get jobs, 500-dollar guy gets a job that pays 20 and 300-dollar guy gets a job that pays 10.
Say you want to equalize how much money they have.
Your so-called notion of "equality," if you're saying what I think you're saying, is to make their pay equal. So now they're both making 15 at their jobs. Great. But they still both started with unequal amounts. The 300-dollar guy's still getting screwed for 200 dollars.
That's when you have to take 100 from the 500-dollar guy and give it to the 300-dollar guy. This is what feminism is really doing. Now they both have 400, both make 15, and they are equal.
Call your idea what it is, anti-equality. -
Maybe that was rude, but damn it, I'm getting real tired of this "argument" getting thrown around.
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But Tounge, everyone has been disrespected at some point in their life! Claiming that it's a problem only women have to suffer through is ignoring the bigger picture and acting like the victim when you're not. I mean, yes, it would be nice if no one was disrespected, but that's not the world we live in, and trying to change that while only seeing half the problem is not being a solution at all. If you want equality, you need to focus on both ends.
And App, I'm not quite sure what you're getting at. Getting paid the same amount for the same work IS equality; the amount of money the people start with is irrelevant. There are always going to be people with less, but punishing those with more isn't equality. All that matters is that those with less are given the same opportunists as those with more.
At least, this is my two cents on the situation.
While I'm here, I may as well add that feminism is a dead concept that's struggling to find relevancy in the modern day world and that has been mostly hijacked by misandric idiots who think they're entitled to the world based on their c---. -
Tongues post was simply illogical and probably #yesallwomen copypasta, everyone gets disrespected.
And appa is simply explaining communism.
Again.
All I got out of it is that feminists want to have a female ran world to make up for the past. Which isn't equality. -
The entire point of feminism is to raise women up just to be on the same level men are on. If men had to be advocated for at all, we'd call it something that applies to them as well, but since they don't, it's feminism.
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What maru said.
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It's a pretty unique form of disrespect. Yes, males will probably be disrespected at some point in their life, but not in the same way women are. Read some of the #yesallwomen posts and try to tell me that men have to deal with the same things on a daily basis that women do.
I don't consider myself a feminist, in fact I am sometimes actively critical of certain individuals who call themselves feminists. I don't like political correctness in any form. But that does not change the fact that sexism is still very real and that women still have to deal with the challenges of a male dominated world. I'm not just talking about the "glass ceiling", I'm talking about a pervasive attitude where women are treated as property to be acquired. I'm talking domestic violence, rape, and objectification. These things are real and all too common. -
So Sun, in what way aren't women on the same level as men? I'm legitimately asking, how does being a man give someone different advantages than being a woman?
And Tongue, you're missing the point! Once again, you're only seeing half the issue. Yes, violence and rape and objectification are common, but they're common for everyone! And trying to 'fix' the problem while only focusing on half the population is doing more damage than good. Yes, men might not have to deal with the same issues as woman, but the same applies in the reverse! 76% of all homicide victims are men. 93% of industrial deaths and accidents affect men. 80% of suicide victims are men. For gods sake, only 17% of men ever win custody of their children. Seventeen percent! But no, we need to focus on the women.
You cannot try to attain equality by pushing down the other party. It simply doesn't work like that. Either we stand together or we all fall short. And feminism has shown that it doesn't care about raising the others. It wants to push everyone down to the same level, instead of raising them up.
That's not to say we should ignore the issues women face, but this is certainly not the way to fix them.
I don't like political correctness either, but surely you can see the utter ridiculousness of some of these claims. Male dominated world, glass ceiling, rape culture (and I know you're referring to rape culture,) do you not see how crazy these ideas sound? How completely unfounded and so distanced from reality they are? Evidence has shown again and again how false they are, yet people continue to circulate them on a vague 'what if?' If a certain hypothesis cannot stand to the evidence, it is a hypothesis you need to discard.
(References:
merckmanuals . com/professional/psychiatric_disorders/suicidal_behavior/suicidal_behavior.html - Suicide numbers
cdc.gov/injury/index.html - Industrial Death Numbers (are in there somewhere.)
census.gov/prod/2003pubs/p60-225.pdf - Custody Numbers
people.terry.uga.edu/mustard/sentencing.pdf
- Justice system favours women - page 18. (Also shows an interesting sentence difference between white and black men, maybe we should focus on that a little, eh?)
ncfm.org/2011/04/issues/criminal-sentencing/ - more on the justice system.
Can't remember homicide reference, feel free to disregard it.
God, this no urls thing is bulls---. Just add Http or whatever. -
Many of your points are valid, I was merely addressing Geek's willful; ignorance. I have no problem with what you are saying. I will say that a "rape culture" does exist. Calling it a rape culture might be a bit of a misnomer, but the pervasive idea that women are property to be acquired is a driving force behind sexual violence towards women. That I stand by.
As I said, I do often take issue with feminism, and one of the reasons for that is what you have mentioned. Men face unique challenges as well and I think if you are going to say you are in favor of equal rights you simply cannot ignore those issues. You may have heard of Billie Jean King, she is a former tennis player and well-known feminist, one of the few who has echoed that sentiment.
So my issue is not with you. Your objection seeks not to deny or downplay the challenges of women as much as it seeks to highlight that men face challenges as well. I take far more offense at those who want to deny and downplay injustice of any kind. -
Did someone say
COMMUNISM
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(basically what Maru said)
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IHLAOY: Actually women aren't equal to men, but I'm not getting into this.
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Actually women aren't equal to men, but I'm not getting into this.
Cause you know you don't actually have any evidence and can't form an argument? #shotsfired
Sun, how can you make a claim that rape culture is legitimate, yet in the exact same post link to studies that show the opposite? It doesn't make sense. If anything, the evidence would suggest an exact opposite to what you claim: that women are more entitled than men. Simply look at the justice links, or the custody numbers, or the industrial accidents. Women are being given special treatment based on the fact that they're women. That's not rape culture. That's so far from anything resembling rape culture that the Christian Church has marked it as the end of the world.
And also, men is such a vague term it could mean anyone. Literally anyone. And stereotyping such a large group of people together is just plain offense, not to mention a horrible way to stage an argument. You cannot put Barack Obama and Tim the racist living down the street into the same group and expect me to take you seriously. The viewpoints are so diverse you literally cannot attribute anything subjective to the group.
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