To those who believe in god.
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Ever since the first sin humans have suffered. Eve, the first woman, ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, even though she and Adam (the first man) had been instructed by God not to. She was tempted by the Serpent, who told her that once she ate of it she would become like God. After she ate a fruit, she beckoned Adam over and had him eat one as well. This was the first sin, which brought them and the rest of creation to fall, thus the Fall of Humanity. Now, suffering is abundant and we must pay the price. God did send his only son, Jesus Christ, to save us. Now, once we are baptized, original sin is taken off our souls. Any sins committed after that must be confessed or forgiven by the Last Rites (unless you die, then you may be forgiven if you are sorry or go to Purgatory, it depends on how bad the sin is).
The irony of the story is Adam and Eve were already like God before they ate of the tree.
This particular Bible story is taken symbolically, of course. In this same story, God created the world in a mere six days. The story could have happened, but only after evolution. And the serpent probably wasn't there. He symbolized the Devil, therefore he was probably a temptation inside Eve's head. I mean, a talking snake never existed. I would recommend reading the actual Bible passage though (Genesis 1). Even if you don't believe it the story is entertaining. The entire Bible is, to tell the truth. -
What a second... they were punished for eating from the tree of knowledge, sounds kinda like she was searching for knowledge. So basically they punished for trying to find answers... this explains so much...
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Knowledge of Good and Evil, meaning they could officially commit sin now. The tree was placed there to test them. It was the only thing God said not to do. For instance, once they ate of the fruit they realized they were naked and the other person might take advantage of it. Never before would they of even thought of doing such things simply out of lust.
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This is another reason why religion bothers me.
To believe in Christianity you have to believe that for approximately 6000 years (the estimated biblical age of the earth AKA bullshit.). You have to believe that for approximately 6000 years humans were born, lived miserable, ignorant, sinful, violent, 30 or less years of life. And then died. And that for 6000 biblical years, heaven watched this with indifference. And then all of a sudden, around 2000 years ago, they finally decided that it was time to do something about this. And the way they figured they should intervene was by having a filthy human sacrifice in the slums of modern day Pakistan.
Not to mention the fact, that religiously, the reason that all these people were suffering was because a rib lady was tricked into eating magical fruit from a talking snake.
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What Bob says makes much more sense to me,but still judging by the answers here's the conclusion:
God is "god",so he's very powerful,wise,kind and all the good things.
So one day he decided it's time to create some humans.And as we(and obviously god)know,humans are curious and imperfect beings and they may make mistakes.
And the reason why he did it was because he loved them and wanted them to have fun.
And then Eve and Adam eat from a tree and the perfect and kind "god" punishes not only them,but also all the humans that are born after them.
So,does it make sense that a perfect god creates humans out of love and then punishes his own creation? -
He only punished humans because they turned away from them. He still loves us, however. You see, he helped mankind reach redemption. After all, He sent Jesus Christ to save us. Even before then, He forgave Cain after he killed Abel, He sent Moses to save the Isrealites from slavery in Eygpt, and many other things.
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That part isn't symbolic.
There was a talking snake with legs.
The earth was made in 6 days. The length of the days couldv'e been different.
Aitheists have simply penetrated society in such a way that you have probaly only seen aitheist s---.
Have you ever actually looked at the geological column or just in your science book?
Generaly no.
I have looked and the geological colum and there are single entitys that are through hundreds of millions of years. I have seen mixed up geological columns first hand. wbu?
It wasn't laid down over a long period of time.
Why is it that before all this s--- started flying the bible was written and it still holds.
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Alter2Ego NewbieVIKTOR:
What Bob says makes much more sense to me,but still judging by the answers here's the conclusion:
God is "god",so he's very powerful,wise,kind and all the good things.
So one day he decided it's time to create some humans.And as we(and obviously god)know,humans are curious and imperfect beings and they may make mistakes.
And the reason why he did it was because he loved them and wanted them to have fun.
And then Eve and Adam eat from a tree and the perfect and kind "god" punishes not only them,but also all the humans that are born after them.
So,does it make sense that a perfect god creates humans out of love and then punishes his own creation?
ALTER2EGO -to- VIKTOR:
barberbob2 is an atheist who believes the universe created itself. In my thread entitled: "Precision in Nature: Evidence of God or Accidents?" I directed his attention to the 118 elements on the Periodic Table. 92 of the elements are natural, meaning they were not made by humans. The remaining 26 elements are man-made, the creation of intelligent humans who were well-trained scientists.
To hear barberbob2 tell it, although 26 of the elements on the Periodic Table clearly required intelligent beings to create them, the 92 natural elements--which are far more complex than the man-made ones--simply created themselves and did not likewise require an intelligent Creator/Jehovah God. That's called intellectual dishonesty. But you are willing to take his words over that of theists, despite the fact the title of your thread is: "To those who believe in god."
Since what barberbob2 says makes more sense to you, it indicates you're not really interested in what theists have to say and your thread is nothing more than a bait thread for theists. You should have entitled your thread: "To those who do not believe in god."
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"That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." (Psalms 83:18) -
Ego, you are under the assumption that the 26 elements that humans can REcreate, can only be created by synthetic means. Your whole idea loses credibility when you consider the fact that elements naturally have a half-life and that the larger elements (also known as those magical 26 of yours) decompose faster than the smaller ones.
We aren't special for recreating elements. We're simply (poorly) redoing what the sun already did 4.5 billion years ago. -
Alter2Ego NewbieBARBER BOB2:
Ego, you are under the assumption that the 26
elements that humans can REcreate, can only be created by synthetic means. Your whole idea loses credibility when you consider the fact that elements naturally have a half-life and that the larger elements (also known as those magical 26 of yours) decompose faster than the smaller ones.
We aren't special for recreating elements. We're simply (poorly) redoing what the sun already did 4.5 billion years ago.
ALTER2EGO -to- BARBER BOB2:
I read only the first few words in your first paragraph, to get the gist of what you are saying.
FYI: My conversations with you on this website are permanently over. I asked you direct questions in my thread entitled: "Precision in Nature: Evidence of God or Accidents?" You hopped, skipped, and jumped and did everything except answer the questions. Then you started cursing, convinced that foul language will make up for the intelligence you lack.
You've been debunked by the 26 man-made elements on the periodic table. The fact that they required the intervention of intelligent beings (in this case, humans) indicates the 92 natural elements required the intervention of an intelligent being (Jehovah God).
You are intellectually dishonest. Anything you address to me from this point onwards will be summarily ignored. I will simply scroll past whatever you post on this website so that I don't have to waste my time reading it.
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"That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." (Psalms 83:18) -
Alter2Ego NewbieTHE TRICKSTER:
That part isn't symbolic.
There was a talking snake with legs.
The earth was made in 6 days. The length of the days couldv'e been different.
Aitheists have simply penetrated society in such a way that you have probaly only seen aitheist s---.
Have you ever actually looked at the geological column or just in your science book?
Generaly no.
I have looked and the geological colum and there are single entitys that are through hundreds of millions of years. I have seen mixed up geological columns first hand. wbu?
It wasn't laid down over a long period of time.
Why is it that before all this s--- started flying the bible was written and it still holds.
I can rant too
ALTER2EGO -to- THE TRICKSTER:
The Bible does not say anything about a talking snake with legs. Neither was the earth created in six literal 24-hour days.
For my detailed response, see Post 4, which is directed to you in my thread entitled "Bible Teachings or Traditions of Men?"
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"That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." (Psalms 83:18) -
@Rascal We're back to the first place.Look at the world,do you really think god loves us?
@Alterego First of all,Bob didn't answer my question in the title,he said something regarding another post that made more sense than the post itself.
Second,you said something on the last page and I replied and then you disappeared.So do you have any convincing answer?Why did "god" create us humans? -
Alter2Ego NewbieVIKTOR:
@Alterego First of all,Bob didn't answer my question in the title,he said something regarding another post that made more sense than the post itself.
Second,you said something on the last page and I replied and then you disappeared.So do you have any convincing answer?Why did "god" create us humans?
ALTER2EGO -to- VIKTOR:
I answered your question on Page 1 of this thread and informed you that Jehovah God created us out of love. rascal1178 told you the same thing. You rejected out responses in which we both said God did it out of love.
You then posted something else but did not address it to anyone in particular. In the opening sentence of your follow-up post, you mentioned that you preferred the tripe you got from barberbob2. barberbob2 happens to be an atheist that believes everything created themselves. He lapped his tail and ran from my direct questions over in my thread dealing with Precision in Nature.
Since you feel barberbob2 makes more sense than those you addressed your thread to, then go with that. I'm not going to waste my time responding to someone who addresses a thread to "those who believes in god" but then announces on the forum that he/she prefers tripe from an intellectually dishonest atheist like barberbob2. Let rascal1178 wear him/herself trying to compete for your attention, which barberbob2 apparently has won. Not me, buddy. I'm done with this thread. If you want info on evidence for intelligent creation, feel free to visit my thread entitled. "Precision in Nature: Evidence of God or Accidents?"
Cheers!
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"That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." (Psalms 83:18) -
@Rascal I also didn't ask you if god loves us or not.I said does it make sense that a perfect god do such things?Did you ever read my post before replying?
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Ah,are you a goddamn computer ego?Or maybe some A.I?
I didn't beg you to post here,nor do I care if you leave this thread.Pretty immature and ignorant buddy.Cheers!
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