Atheism
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Thread Topic: Atheism
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tongue NewbieYou can't scare us with hell because there is none. Besides, fearmongering hasn't worked for Christians since the time of the Puritans, because since then science has given us new explanations of natural phenomena, rather than there being the one explanation that religion gives. As science has come to better explain the world, it's become clear to alot of us that things such as Hell, which have no logical basis, do not exist.
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from pg.3 ive done all of that just today
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yea tongue there is nor heaven nor hell,and science explains everything WAY better than the story of god and Jesus
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You are totally right Hamilton. We have no hope with out God. AT ALL!! When we are born there is no use in trying to be perfect. We will sin, we do sin, we have sinned. Just being born by a mother and father is a death sentence!
But you make an excellent point! God created us and our brains but it isn't his fault we sin. LET ME EXPLAIN!
God created the world, Perfect. With out any sin whatsoever!! The animals were perfect. The man and woman were perfect. Yes there were two of them.
When god created us he wanted us to have free will. He wanted us to love him because we want to! He gave free will to the man and woman.
One day the woman saw a delightful fruit off of a tree god told her not to pick from or she will die. But she didn't listen, she picked off the fruit and sinned.
That's why there is sin in the world today! That's why he sent Jesus to save us, that way there is hope!! -
"Question...you define justice as people getting what they deserve, right?
If you want to convince us to worship you're god, I would recommend addressing the question of its existence first."
Yes justice is getting what we deserve. I hope i answered some of that above. And as for the existance question, did you mean how the world was created because i wrote that. Or what? -
TONGUE AND SAPPHIRE, there is a heaven and a hell. Are you willing to put your eternity at stake if your wrong?
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Kirsteen, it looks like you said two things that cannot be true at the same time.
You said:
"When we are born there is no use in trying to be perfect. We will sin, we do sin, we have sinned. Just being born by a mother and father is a death sentence!"
then you said
"He gave free will to the man and woman."
Either we have a choice whether to sin or not, or we do not have a choice. If we do not have the option to avoid sin, then how can we be punished for being sinners?
Also, what do you have to say about brain activity? There are plenty of documented cases of people undergoing massive personality changes after serious head trauma. Those with mental illness cannot control their behavior at all. Some parts of our personality are genetic in nature, and inherited.
We try to do the best with the brains we have, but we don't choose our brains. That isn't 'free will'.
"Yes justice is getting what we deserve."
Okay, and you believe that humans deserve to be put in hell because we are sinners, right? Just trying to get a confirmation on this.
Sorry, but the science is pretty decisive when it comes to issues like the age of the earth and evolution. Evolution is not something that can be argued with. Generations of scientists have studied it for years and years now. We have seen new species develop. The organization of fossils in the earth's crust confirms beyond a doubt that different organisms were alive during different periods of time, not all at the same time. We have numerous fossils of transitional species, including relatives of humans. -
O my goodness! Ok, God gave us free will, we can choose to ACCEPT GOD!! CAN'T WE. THAT IS OUR FREE WILL. God gave that free will to Adam and Eve, the man and woman. We can choose not to sin but it is impossible to never sin!
See where I'm going with this. Free will is what we choose. God let us choose him if we want. But being perfect isn't possible with all the free will in the world. Free will is not simply choosing not to sin. Because it isn't humanly possible.
We did have an option not to sin. How many of us would have eaten the fruit that the woman ate. How many of us would have taken it off the tree. ALL OF US!! We have similar choices everyday.
Really, Adam and Eve blew it for US but we would have done the same. God knows that.
You would have i would have. I do and you do! We do it every day.
God isn't dumb Hamilton. He knows everything about mentally retarded people. They can't choose God because they don't know. they don't have the brain capacity. Babies don't either.
That's why when they die they will go to heaven. you are getting really deep into this ok and ITS GOING TO GET COMPLICATED!! But YOU stepped into the mud so bear with me.
In the Bible there is this thing called the age of accountability. Children, young enough, cannot possibly comprehend God. He knows and will take them to heaven to be with him because they are incapable of believing. You and I are capable. Please, this question is terribly agrued amoung christians because the bible doesn't explain too much on the subject. Except in the book of Matthew (Matthew is a chapter in the bible!) Jesus says you have to be like a child to enter into the kingdom of heaven. Which means innocent and helpless. Like i said, it is a hard question to answer but its not impossible.
YESS!!! WE DESERVE TO GO INTO HELL!! We have broken God's laws and he is so holy that he can't be near sin. THATS WHY HE SENT JESUS!!
There is plenty of evidence of creation. I will explain a few in a minute cus this paragraph is way too long!! -
You must be sacrificed unto Sebek.
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Before you offer your evidence, I'd appreciate it if you could briefly describe/explain how evolution works. Like, in two sentences; nothing extensive. (: If that is okay. It may sound like a weird question, but I would appreciate it if you would answer.
So...there is only one line in the Bible that might possibly suggest that all children go to heaven, and no mention of the mentally handicapped...? That's not really strong evidence for the belief being true. (Not that I believe in the Bible, of course)
If God can't be near sin, how come his presence is on earth. ._. You said that before. Also, isn't Jesus an aspect of God? According to your beliefs, Jesus went to Earth. And why would God need to sacrifice to himself in order to get rid of our sin?Why couldn't he just forgive us without that? I mean, according to your beliefs he is omnipotent, so there is no reason to go through all that trouble. For that matter, why didn't he just do the whole Jesus thing the moment he created humans, instead of waiting thousands of years to bother with the Jesus thing? And I'm not sure if you already answered my question about people unfamiliar with CHristianity. I'll go back and check.
I'm mostly babbling there. You don't need to answer if you don't want to.
One last question...and I'm sure I already know your answer, but I still want to hear it from you, if that is all right.
Is God just? And do you personally prefer justice to injustice?
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Firstly, It is really late here. Were i am and i need to go to bed so ill make it brief.
That is an interesting question you asked me about children and mentally handicapped. I will have to look in my bible tomorrow.
There are three parts to God called the trinity. This is proven when the bible mentions we several times "we" (don't worry about that part k) Any way, three parts one God.
God is the father, Jesus is considered the son but is God in human form, and LASTLY, the holy spirit, which is god in a spirit form.
The holy spirit is the one who is in Christians. That is how his presence is on earth. Jesus can be near sin as well because when he paid for my sins and yours, he took on our sin, so he knows wat sin is like. (this goes on to another subject but it is kinda late)
Evolution is the belief that humans came from goop. The goop gained genes and turned into animals. Then over millions of years, there were more and more changes in the genes, Which grew into apes. And then to humans. I DON"T BELIEVE THIS IS TRUE!
Hey Hamilton, I'd love to finish the rest of your questions tomorrow. Until then, you can look up several sites that might help you! Look up, "Way of The Master", "Ken Ham" or "K-love" See you tomorrow!! -
Evolution is not about the origins of life, by the way. That is abiogenesis. Evolution only deals with the changes in life.
Night to you. I'll check out some of Ken Ham's stuff if you agree to check out some suggestions of mine. (: -
Well, Hamilton, I do, every day. At school i hear about evolution and every other possible way the earth was formed. If thats what you mean by listening to your perspective.
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I hope you found some things out!! I was sleeping and doing school that's why it took me long enough to write back..
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I have sined
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