Opening the blind eye
- Locked due to inactivity on Aug 4, '16 4:17pm
Thread Topic: Opening the blind eye
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Well, another thing. Humanity has become that to. Hateful, selfish. Before we would go to war over religion. Something that might not be real. So, if God is real, does he want this? War? Blood spilled of innocent people because of him? I'm giving myself a headache with debating with myself over this the past few weeks.
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And there is only one conclusion that answers all of those questions.
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@The part where you say you havent changed any of our views on religion
Actually, you played a big part of me being an athiest. :3 -
Then I am proud to have done so Hunter. :)
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And I thank you. :D
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I hope alot more people will be able to see what you saw hunter. :) I understand that people dont miss what they never knew, but until you've been free from religion, you never know what all it actually does to you.
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FLgirl92 Newbie@Bob- That is admittedly my own interpretation. But I think there are some absolutes to Christian teaching that basically makes killing wrong, which I've already mentioned. As to your other point, I strongly advocate living in the here and now. Life on Earth is just as important as the afterlife. Why would God put us here if there wasn't a reason? But I also advocate living wisely and keeping God close to you, because the fate of a person's soul is important as well.
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Adressing your points one at a time for starters:
-Tell your "Absolute Christian Teachings" to Nazis, the KKK, the Crusaders, the Holy Inquisition, or on a more modern note, the opposition to the cervical cancer vaccine.
-Living in the here and now means more than just passing a test or learning something. God putting us here for a reason still suggests that we're just here as a way to wait for the next step.
-"Why would god put us here if there wanst a reason?" I have an answer for that, but I dont think you'll like it.
-You can live wisely without having to keep a deity close to you. Also, if god created us, and god knows what we're going to do, and god decides our fates(heaven or hell), doesnt that make god a cruel monster? How can free will coexist with divine preordination? No theist has ever been able to answer me that question.
On a broader note:
-you still havent answered any of the questions I asked on the first post. -
FLgirl92 NewbieThe absolute Christian teachings I'm referring to are the Ten Commandments and The Gospels. The rest of Bible I've basically discounted, because those who call themselves fundamentalists really just pick and choose which passages to follow, and also because only the Gospels and the Ten Commandments are the word of God (or Jesus in the Gospels, but they're basically the same thing).
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First of all, your words of God were written by fallible men.
Second of all, they have been revised, edited, and rewritten by even more fallible men.
And thirdly, then 10 commandments are divine at all. Anyone can write 10 basic moral codes. They fall under the idea of, "I dont want that happening to me, you shouldnt do that to others."
Also, once again, here we are where you're claiming to know the word of God. -
FLgirl92 NewbieEither way, those are the two best pieces of Scripture to follow. The word of Christ is central to Christianity, and the Ten Commandments are the most clear and simple set of moral instructions found in Scripture.
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Flgirl, if you have to get your morals from a book written 2000 years ago, then you need more help than I can provide for you. Make your own decisions about life. I think you'll find that you dont need the word of Christ to decide what's right and wrong.
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FLgirl92 NewbieI don't need a book to know right from wrong. I actually believe that it is a bad thing when people read too much into the Bible and get away from the important passages, as fundamentalists do. When you get away from the basics of "don't kill", "don't steal", and "don't judge others" and "forgive those who have done you wrong", that's when you start to see Christianity become something bloody and intolerant. And unfortunately, I think humans by nature are morally confused. I think we are all capable of getting to a place where we can confidently make our moral choices, but a good moral foundation needs to come from somewhere.
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Humans are no more morally confused than any other species on this planet.
Moral foundation is simple. "Dont do that to me, I wont do it to you." Divine influence isnt needed for this. And all morals, no matter how complicated, follow that one basic statement. Compassion isnt a divine inspiration. It's natural. -
FLgirl92 NewbieHmm, well I've long abandoned "turning the other cheek" going back and forth with you haven't I? I don't feel we will come to an agreement, nor did I expect to. But I do have a question: if morality is natural to humanity, how do you explain all of the wrongdoing in the world? Surely you can't chalk it all up to religious differences.
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