Don't understand the tea parties
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Thread Topic: Don't understand the tea parties
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Peter Principle NoviceThe tea parties seemed to be more about raging against the Democrats winning the last election than anything else. Few people stood up against George Bush as the national debt doubled, but not 100 days into Obama's time in office people are pissed and stirred into action by Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. Okay. So what's the next move? What actual proposals do the tea people have? "Cut spending" is too vague and simplistic. What spending? And why complain about taxes when they remain at historic lows?
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JRobert NewbieI think you are right that the protesters don't have actual policy ideas. It's more of a gut feeling against "government spending" and the fear of tax increases. When pressed, they will likely respond about cutting pork and earmarks. However they don't seem to give Obama credit for purging lobbyists and pushing back against earmarks.
More importantly, though, is that this type of spending actually makes up a tiny percent of the overall budget. Federal spending is dominated by defense and entitlements (social security, medicare, etc.). Conservatives would like to reform entitlements...we saw in 2004 Bush put forth the idea to partially privatize SS. However given the recent stock market crash, this idea has been thoroughly discredited. So what new idea replaces it? I haven't heard one.
And conservatives don't want to touch military spending. They want to cut spending on protecting the spotted owl or other perceived wastes only--the low-hanging fruit. But this doesn't really get us anywhere, even if they got their way.
So I am very interested to hear actual ideas that will really reduce government spending. It's a hard question, one that hasn't been adequately answered. -
AppleBerry NewbieWhat spending?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The GIANT STIMULUS BILL, blind-o! It's the fact that Obama is going on a shopping spree for America, and I, in the top 10%, will have to pay for it. -
JRobert NewbieAh so it's the stimulus bill that has caused the outrage? This point wasn't clear to me. Maybe you can explain to me why conservative media labels the entire "cost" of the stimulus bill as "spending" when less than half of it went to actual spending and the rest to tax cuts.
And what is your objection to the spending portion? Do you not agree that, for example, infrastructure has been left to neglect for many years? And that such spending not only helps keep people in a job (and out of the welfare office), but pays dividends in terms of improvements and development that support private industry? I have no idea where you work, but it's likely the company takes advantage of many "public" goods such as the roads and bridges and highways. Their construction and maintenance are necessary, and what better time to make an investment than when people need work? -
XxStephie_JadexX NewbieWTF?????
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celina12 NewbieThe initiative taken for the concern is very serious and needs an attention of everyone. This is the concern which exists in the society and needs to be eliminated from the society as soon as possible.
One of the great things about in-game money and virtual economies is that they never went through this whole economic meltdown. So take that to all of those people who think the real world is better then computer games!
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Anastasia NoviceI believe American citizens have a right to voice there opinion. I don't understand how putting our country in more debt is going to solve anything. It's not going to work long term. All of this is just making the government bigger and have more control. Simple principle: the more government control there is the less free we Americans are.
Here's my policy on fixing health care: don't change the whole system. Let people who already like the medical insurance they have keep theirs. For those to can't afford it help them get the benefits they need. That is the best way for "universal health care" to work. -
rachcab21 NewbieWow! Tell them Anna!
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Anastasia NoviceHaha thanks rachy!
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rachcab21 NewbieYou welcome Anna! You have rights! Tell them all!
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tongue NewbieI don't really have a veiwpoint to state other than that I have a major problem with AppleBerry's comment. It really annoys and even offends me to hear the upper crust whine that they have to pay for everything when a ghetto family ten minutes from their gated community lives off a Walmart salary. And even beyond that, the middle class has been crumbling since the Reagan era while people like AppleBerry have been getting richer and richer.
I do actually have to say something about the Tea Parties though. It really annoys me that these people are just now protesting after Bush put us in record debt fighting an unneccessary war. With the money we spent a day on Iraq, we could've given 142,000 people health insurance. Yet it's just now that we have these protests.
These protests have little if nothing to do the money our government is spending- it's more about the GOP launching a movement against Obama. It's incredibly obvious who's behind these protests and where these groups have gotten their funding from. -
rachcab21 NewbieWell said tongue.
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alltimelowluver Novicehmm... yes i see i see... no i dont fill me in on all this! all i kno is barack obama is the prez and hes not helping the however many trillion dollar defeceit that america is currently in and the other thing i kno is that we are all so screwed
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tongue NewbieYeah the deficit's an issue, and I'm not sure it's one Obama will ever be able to really focus his energies on completely. One of the issues I have with his administration is that I think they're dragging their heels and they really aren't getting enough of what they want to get done taken care of. It's not like he has any motivation to though, considering that Congressional Democrats will just continue to squander their leverage like they have in the health care debate. So far this administration is failing to do what it was elected to do- to repair a nation falling apart at it's seams. We can't afford to see this administration fail, because it may very well be the last thread of hope our political system and our society has. Perhaps the world will end in 2012 and we'll be put out of our misery, otherwise I think we oughta take to the streets and destroy the government and all other institutions in this country. "Emergency anarchism" as I call it. I'm not an anarchist, but we could reaching a point where we'd be better off with no government, no religion, no corporations, etc.
If you are at all scared by this, it's not because you understand why this administration must succeed, but rather because you're taking my threats way too seriously. There's no way there will be an armed revolution anytime soon- American doesn't protest s---. America is a nation that has been put to sleep politically, and it's about time we woke up and make promises-not threats- to raise hell. -
teejay hira NewbieThis is the fitst thread that did not go random!
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