Conservative's are ruining my mental well-being.
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Thread Topic: Conservative's are ruining my mental well-being.
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ThatHufflepuff NewbieI see you have taken interest in a post written by a hardcore Liberal, Democratic, Atheist. I am very, what's the word? Oh yes, APPALLED that Conservatives are trying to tell me how to live my life, and tell me what to do with my body. I am a woman, I can do what ever I want to myself. That includes abortion. Why were 20 preschoolers shot, and killed you say? Because we gave an AK-47 to a man who was mentally unfit to own, let alone operate a weapon. I'm talking about the 9th amendment folks.The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. All that's left to say is, keep your religion out of my school, and government.
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I'm not sure what side your arguing for the gun thing.
Oh, and when talking about how bad shooting pre schoolers is don't state how killing unborn babies is alright. -
ThatHufflepuff NewbieLife starts at birth. If you don't like abortion, don't have one, is basically what I'm saying. And the whole gun thing is, we can't just give a gun to any psychopathy,so therefore, we must up the gun background checks, or we could have another Sandy Hook.
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Background checks are needed to an extent, not to much though.
On the abortion subject, that reasoning is like saying if you don't like torturing people, don't do it.
Life doesn't start at birth, operations had to be done on my mum to keep me in, does an unliving unfeeling clump of cells do that?
But it's living off the mum you might say, is a dying man hooked up to a drip any more alive? -
First trimester abortions, guys.
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Also, a few posts by Carri04 I find relevant to the subject
I think we should remember how the world is overpopulating and how our orphanages are overfilling because millions go unadopted
let's not forget how religion is also stopping gay parents from adopting no matter how competent they are as parents, they're just not good wholesome candidates because they're gay, let's just let all the parentless children go unloved because they can't have loving parents
let's let children be born and feel like they're unwanted and worthless
let's let rape victims sit through 9 months of sheer agony to deliver the rapist's child and bear more physical scars from a torturous experience
let's let child rape victims sit through 9 months of agony and childbirth that will seriously injure or kill the girl, and the baby
let's outlaw abortion and let women take backhanded and illegal options of terminating the pregnancy which due to unsafe operations done in secrecy will result in the death of the fetus and sometimes the death of the mother, resulting in more lives lost than needed to
let's take away Planned Parenthood and let victims of domestic abuse get continuously abused.
let's cause more problems for people who have to be on medication
Have this super long list of reasons abortion > adoption:
- They dont want to be pregnant.
- They dont want school to be more difficult because of being pregnant.
- They cant go off an important medication thats harmful to pregnancy.
- They are Tokophobic.
- They are trans* and this would cause them dysphoria.
- They are transitioning and this would negatively effect their transition.
- Adoption would be too emotionally devastating for them.
- They cant afford to take off work for appointments, birth, and recovery.
- They are Child Free and do not want children in any way, shape, or form.
- They are in an abusive situation, and it would make it more difficult to escape. Their partner might not let them place the baby.
- They pregnant via rape, and carrying and placing a baby would add to the trauma.
- They have a mental illness that would worsen with pregnancy.
- Their partner will not agree to placing the baby up for adoption.
-There are currently 500,000 kids in need of adoption in the US.
-Some states still dont allow gay people from getting married let alone adopting.
Cuz apparently its better to have NO parents than GAY parents.
And also being pregnant is one of the more dangerous conditions one could even go through.
-Social stigma when family, friends, coworkers see one pregnant and then without child
-PAIN OF CHILDBIRTH just to give away something that you didnt want in the first place
-Months of illness, insane doctor bills, and having to miss work
-By comparison, abortions are relatively cheap (about $450 in my city) and, while painful, are nothing so bad as the constant aches of pregnancy and the eventual birth
-The world is insanely overpopulated by humans as it is -
-Wanting a woman to carry an unwanted child to term means that you place more worth on a handful of cells that dont even have sentience yet than on a living breathing woman who has had life experiences and has dreams and can actually contribute to society and fall in love and (possibly, if she wants to) later raise children when they are economically stable, socially acceptable, wanted, and emotionally well taken care of.
The adoption process is very difficult to navigate and not every state has laws that even allow a parent to have an open-adoption or have any access to/knowledge of that child after its born (if thats something they happened to want) -OR- to even have the option available one day if they arent sure just yet.
Adoption agencies are heavily overcrowded, and (forgive my exhaustion to grab statistics right now) a much-too-high percentage of children end up in foster care. This usually happens for the following reason:
Unless the child is white, pretty, young (beyond 8yo is often too old), perfectly healthy, able-bodied, has no other known defect or disorder, the chance of being adopted at all is VERY, VERY low. These children are often placed in foster care considerably quicker; and, because of their imperfections face a higher risk/likelihood for the following
The children that dont fit that exact mold are often tossed around for years and mishandled by the system alone, and due to the greater likelihood of being placed in in foster care early, face a dramatic increase in the chance for emotional, psychological, physical, spiritual and/or sexual abuse. Children without imperfections face a heightened risk for this once in foster care; children with flaws border on a guaranteed percentage of experiencing abuse somewhere in their foster care journey.
While there are many positive adoption stories and sometimes couples who are particularly noble who do seek out children with handicaps, special needs, are children of color, or are not in infancy the ratio where that isnt the case is still drastically lopsided.
Again, while some (parents and children) have had positive adoptive experiences, navigating the difficult and emotionally tumultuous journey of telling a child theyre adopted can be very very painful and cause a lot of psychological damage for both the child and adoptive parents.
Again, this is IF THE CHILD IS ADOPTED AT ALL.
Children who reach adulthood without ever being adopted face a much greater risk at falling to unhealthy lifestyles (gangs, crime, prostitution, you get the idea), addictions, and untreated mental health troubles. Also, these adult children tend to be much more often lacking in education and literacy. (Again, sorry for my lack of seeking out proper percentages. It doesnt make my facts any less accurate).
Even if adoptive parents were plentiful and every child was wanted, the adoption process is expensive, tricky, and riddled with emotional, psychological and financial troubles.
I, or the pregnant person, still has to go through the pregnancy to PUT the child up for adoption.
As mentioned above, pregnancy is SO expensive and even if I personally found an adoptive couple like the storybook idea of Juno who would pay for my prenatal needs and hospitalization costs holy emotionally and psychologically tumultuous!! An abortion, eliminating a not-yet-a-human collection of cells is DRASTICALLY different than handing over a living, breathing, crying, lovely child and having to live with the idea you didnt want THAT. No, an attachment to an abundance of cells is much easier to acknowledge you parted with, than having to say goodbye to a baby that you just painfully and exhaustively birthed, and that youve carried with you every single day and nurtured to life for nearly a year.
^ Thats saying a lot from me knowing how much I got attached to my collection of cells who didnt make it from a miscarriage. I chose to keep that baby and wanted that baby, and he was past termination stage. But even though I got heavily attached early on, I can still agree, I could part with with (and easily live with myself after) a little sack of biology with no sustainable life than I (and most people) EVER could a newborn that they just birthed who is now fully a person.
On that note, even if a pregnant person decides on adoption as their path - that very difficult emotional experience in the notation above occurs so often that mothers (who even know they cannot rightfully care for a baby), will still turn around and KEEP that child after its born. Even though they know they cant care for it, didnt want it, have no preparation or availability in their life for a baby, or even HAVE an adoptive family ready. It can be THAT difficult to do. And, youd think this is a one in a million thing, No. Its not. I wish I felt like googling, but my close friend does this as her job (to navigate pregnant persons through the adoption process), and in a year alone, shes already had SIX mothers do this.
One more time: putting a child up for adoption, DOES NOT MEAN they will EVER be adopted.
If I were a PoC or pregnant to a PoC, I cant even imagine considering adoption knowing just how unlikely the child is to ever be adopted; and that by my skin colour alone (or partners, if consentual), Id somehow be making it less likely for that child to ever be placed in a home. Thats a lot of guilt to bear. (Not that they should feel that. Its not something theyre responsible for. Its societys fault that thats the case, not their skin colors.) But, Im sure itd still probably feel and be internalized that way for many pregnant persons of color.
Annnd, until the day that child is born, given how many things can go wrong in the birth process, there is still no way to guarantee that child will be able-bodied and healthy. And, if it isnt thats right..massive decrease in the chance that child will ever be placed with family.
let's not forget
-children who are surrendered to adoption are more likely to have learning disabilities, general difficulty in school, and issues with depression and low self esteem.
-children who are surrendered to adoption are more likely to have eating disorders
-children who are surrendered to adoption are more likely to be placed in "corrective schools" or locked out of their home.
-parents who surrender their child to adoption are more likely to have adverse long term effects, such as depression, than someone who elects to end their pregnancy.
-parents who surrender their child to adoption are more likely to experience secondary infertility or require a hysterectomy than the general population.
-despite the growing trend of open adoptions, there is nothing that legally binds adopters to the agreement made with the natural parent(s). ie if a parent surrenders their child to an open adoption, under the agreement that they will be able to visit the child once a year and receive letters or emails on how their child is doing, if at any point the adopters no longer want to abide by that agreement, they can stop giving the natural parent access to their child, without any legal consequences. most open adoptions are closed (meaning that the natural parents have no contact with their child) within the first five years. -
let's not forget, that if you oppose birth control, then you have no right to oppose abortion because the fact of the matter is that people aren't going to stop having sex because you say so and that it's a NATURAL INSTINCT
birth control is making sure they don't get pregnant, this means less pregnancy and less unwanted children, and less abortion.
go ahead, now tell me how awful abortion is after reading everything I sent you, I DARE you. -
None of that written by me of course, but I agree with it.
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I have to be honest, the original post was utterly incoherent. What does the Newtown shooting have to do with women's issues?
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I think what they did was squish a bunch of random liberal ideas into one paragraph. If original poster is willing to clear this up, they are more than welcome.
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"Welcome to the world of the hardcore Liberal"
What, being intellectually backwards? -
I'm confused by the original post
...welcome to the world of the communist?
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