Comprehending God Poe, the Bible and Candid style.
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Greatest I am NewbieComprehending God Poe, the Bible and Candid style.
Poe said...
If we cannot comprehend God in his visible works, how then in his inconceivable thoughts, that call the works into being? If we cannot understand him in his objective creatures, how then in his substantive moods and phases of creation?
This is basically what scriptures say when they say to seek God in the heavens. Nature IOW.
These views are what led to my apotheosis and I endorse them wholeheartedly.
When I was a seeker, before I found this clip below. I had concluded that reality was in the best and only state that it could be in. This best state included nature as well as man within it.
When this was written, most thought it to just be a cynical view of life but I think it is quite true and irrefutable, based on the anthropic principle and the notion that a God would start things of in a good way as scriptures indicate for Eden and that that best way would be self-perpetuating because I could not imagine a God using creation as a make work project that he would have to tweak every now and then as scriptures indicated that he did.
Candide
"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.
to view a clip shoeing this notion, please Google
Candide - 03 Best of all possible worlds
The above quote should make sense to both believers and non-believers alike, if you see nature always doing the best it can with all the conditions at hand taken into account.
I would like to stay away from discussions of Gods existence here because I think any such discussion would be speculative nonsense as none of our opinions of God is true knowledge and none of it can be proven until he actually shows up. Even as I do not believe in a creator God, I will not argue with those who give credit to him instead of nature and evolution. It is what is here that I would ask you to focus on.
Just looking at nature and mankind then at this point in time, can we agree that what we have is the best of all possible worlds, given all the conditions at hand?
To set you on the tract and mindset that I developed, I would like you to think of the day you were born.
Can you say that given all the conditions at hand back then, your DNA and all other conditions, nature produced you to the very best condition that she could muster?
If yes, consider that the next day lets say, after you began to learned and found the teat and continued learning and developing, right till today, that the initial best you, in the best of all possible world, are continuously aging as the best that you can possible be, given all the conditions at hand.
Not perfect, but the best you can possibly be.
Are you living in the best of all possible world and are you today, the best that nature can produce, given all the conditions at hand?
Regards
DL -
Given all conditions at hand, it is the only possible world. For the world to be different, the conditions would have to change.
Apon my birth, given all conditions, including my parents DNA, genetic mutations along my growth, the developement of the Y chromosome, my mothers drinking and smoking habits, the stress levels produced by other conditions, I came to be as I am. Without changing any conditions, including mutation and which sperm cell met which egg, I am the only outcome. This does not make me better than any other, simply because for there to be any other there would have to be variations in the conditions.
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Greatest I am NewbieYou describe why you were born the best that nature could produce and then say you were not the best nature could produce.
Ok.
Regards
DL -
No, I describe all the conditions of my birth, and then state that the only way I could be born differently, better or not, would be for those conditions to change. I state that your logic behind every condition remaining the same and producing different outcomes is insanity. Doing the same thing and expecting different results.
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Greatest I am NewbieThat is not what I state anywhere.
I was not comparing you to any other anywhere. It is only about you as the best that nature could have produced. Not anyone else. They too are the best that nature could have produced with their DNA and all other conditions at hand.
Regards
DL -
They are all that nature can produce. I know you weren't comparing me to any other. You were comparing me to my own potential. Stating, "The Best Nature Could Produce". When I am trying to explain that this is not true. I am all that nature could produce. Because for any other outcome, better or not, a condition would have to change. There is no such thing as a best case scenario with only one set line of options. For any other scenario to take effect, an option would have to differentiate.
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