religion
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Thread Topic: religion
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So...I don't go to church. And no I don't believe in God.I'm just trying to understand why should I believe? I really don't want to offend anyone but from all these things I've learnt I'm not sure how good this God is. God loves people but we must follow his orders or we're gonna burn in hell. Moreover God gave us freedom but gave us many instruction too.
And why God blesses only straight marriages. And what about gays? So He doesn't love every person on Earth.
Also, He is fair. Why so many people die in Africa every day? Aren't they inportant enough to live?
God made many miracles! I don't believe in miracles...so it's more difficult to believe in this God. I would if there was any good explanation.
I'm trying to understand what makes people being so religious and believing so much to God. -
Because I see God as the truth, honestly. He does love everybody but he doesn't support sin. The reason there is sickness and evil in the world is because of Satan. The reason there is heaven and hell is because heaven is complete closeness with God and hell is complete absence of God. That's because God is all good and holy, and Satan is the opposite. We as humans are the middle, because we're all sinners. Though we are redeemed in Jesus Christ.
That's just what I believe. -
And the reason he gives us instruction is because he is the Creator, he knows what's best for us, even if we don't like it.
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First of all, I believe God does not stop loving people, even if they worship Satan or whatever.
He doesn't hate us, he hates what we do.
God is fair - but humans aren't. Humans are evil, honestly. They start wars for stupid reasons, kill eachother for stupid reasons, etc.
Imagine that you have the poweer to create a world - so you do. And you create a race. You plan for everything to be all peaceful and great, but the beings you've made hate eachother for some weird reason.
You have two choices. Either...
A: Control them so that they have no free will whatsoever, but they stop hating eachother. In other words, turn them into robots. Or...
B: Let them kill, hate, and torture eachother, but they have free will.
Which do you choose?
Either way, your beings will hate you for whatever you decide. If you choose A, they'll hate you because they have no free will. If you choose B, they'll hate you for letting evil and pain be in their world.
God chose B.
I'll answer your other questions when I get home from swim team. -
Well said, Nakita.
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well, I don't want you to think that I'm selfish but maybe that's what you're gonna think. Does God know better what's good for me? And if God loves everybody then why he doesn't love people who don't believe in him. I agree with you that I've learnt there is Satan and all those bad things are happening because of him but I don't understand why he(god) thinks that people are so fool. Don't they know what is the best for them. I'll give you an example. My grandmather really believes in God. She goes to church and all those things that religious people do. Last year she told us that she had cancer. Now she is fine but I don't understand why she had to pass all these things. Isn't that unfair? How about the people who die every day? Also woman's role in this religion is subaltern than man's. Isn't that right? I mean, if he's so perfect why he can't destroy Satan? Is it so difficult?
And one more question: How can we believe in something that we've never seen? -
@Nakita You must be really clever so I'd really like to discuss this with you. I have one more question. If God is the perfection why he didn't create perfect humans? Why he created humans that hate and kill each other with no reason? Wasn't he clever enough to create clever and fair people?
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Ah, many questions, and I wish I saved this article on how God really thinks about women.
Bad things happen, but it makes you stronger. Challenges are put in our way to learn and find lessons in, to find the truth. In honestly humans don't always know what's right for them. If someone wants to do drugs, has the urge to, they will have the consequence of health problems and dependence. Humans are pleasure seekers who want to feel good, but sometimes what's right doesn't give you short-term pleasure.
Women are equal to men. God made genders and races as differences, just like he made different color flowers and such. It is humans that have tried to use the name of God to further their hate against a specific group of people. Culture is the cause of it. Many problems are in the middle east for womens' rights, but does that mean Muslims are to blame? No, it's been in the culture for years.
He can destroy Satan, but he'd rather have us choose between good and evil. By the way, we'll never be perfect, and he doesn't even expect us to be either. He just wants us to try.
God is like the wind, I cannot see wind even if I tried, but does it make it any less there? I have a spirit, a soul inside me, but I can't see it. It's spiritual. -
Well, this example with the wind was really good. My basic question is...well I'll give you an example: Let's say that tomorrow somebody comes to you and tells you that he knows a God who is very good and knows everything and only he can direct you to perfection if only you follow him, would you do that? Wouldn't you ask for prooves? How can you start believing in something? Do you understand where my problem is? How somebody convinces you that there is a God who bla bla bla... Why you believe him? Why people don't search?
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Didn't I just tell you that God DOES love people who don't believe in him? >.< Please, please tell me where in the bible God says that he doesn't love people who don't believe in him. Or at least tell me where you read that, or what christian told you that. Because as I've already told you, God doesn't hate YOU, he hates what you DO.
And why didn't God create perfect beings?
Because he wanted to create beings who could think, feel, observe, and imagine things, just like him. That's why God says (in the Bible) that we're created in his image - he doesn't mean we look like him, he means our minds are capable of learning, creating, imagining, and all that stuff, like him.
And not every thought that pops into your head is a good, pure thought, is it? And if we only had emotions like happiness, love, and all that stuff...
Honestly, if everything that happened made you happy...that's just kind of...creepy, almost. Unnatural and strange.
And plus, if everything happened the way we wanted it to, we'd never learn a darn thing, and we'd be bored out of our minds. We would become extremely unintelligent, stupid, lazy creatures.
Try to imagine you have the power to create a world. Now, think about how you're going to make that perfect world. Think about the race you're going to put in it. You want to make a perfect world, where everybody's always happy, and there's no pain or sadness - but you want them to have free will at the same time.
If you really try hard and think about it, you'll find that it's impossible. -
And yes, christians - most of them, at least - study what they believe in. And they do ask uber questions, you know, the questions like "Why doesn't God talk to people anymore", stuff like that.
In the bible (I'll look the verse up in a moment for ya), the apostle Peter says christians should ask questions like that.
God doesn't want christians to just be zombies who believe everything in the bible without question. Actually, I was a bit of a "zombie" until I was about 9 years old. Mainly because I'd been raised by parents who were christian, and I'd gone to church my whole life. If you had walked up to me and asked me if God was real, I would've said something along the lines of "Well, DUH, everybody knows God is real! Don't be silly!"
Then when I was about 9, I started losing my "zombie-ness" and asking myself the uberquestionsofdoom. For awhile I thought I'd lost my faith, although a small part of me still kinda believed. Then when I was 11 I started studying it a bit more, and I started finding answers to most - if not all - of my questions.
Obviously it didn't just happen in like one day, my dad also helped me, and stuff.
Crap, I just wasted a bunch of space talking about my old zombieness.
But anyway, christians aren't zombies. Some of us are - but it's mainly the younger ones, 12 and younger, who just follow everything the bible says without question. We have brains and we use them, we think about what we believe and why we believe it. There's another word for that - it's called sanity. -
First of all... your acts are your personality...If I hate your personality how can I say that I love you?
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I didn't say you are stupid or that you don't think... I'm just wondering why should I believe to sth that I haven't even seen. Only because some people wrote Bible? Why should I believe them?
I know and agree with you that God doesn't mean to look like him but to think and try to act like him. Why thousants of kids die every day in Africa? What sins can a little child ,who hasn't got food to eat, have? Isn't right? Also I didn't say that God doesn't exist. There must be sth out there! I'm just not sure if the God that exists is this God. I just want more prooves. Give me some prooves why should I believe in God... -
Nakita's right, and this is a great example of many Christians today. Some are in that 9-year-old stage, no matter how old they are, and truly don't participate in learning and growing in faith. Just a bump on a pew.
And trust me, I went through a period myself of rebellion. I was about 13 when I started to really think about my faith. I've been raised in a protestant Christian household and I just went along with it, never really caring or understanding anything. Then I got out of a small town and learned many other ideas and everything. I was agnostic there for a while, you should have heard the questions I had lol. I couldn't understand why there is evil in the world, or where it came from. I never could bring myself to be a atheist though, because it didn't feel right in my heart. It just didn't. Evolution and humanistic thought never satisfied me. It felt so man-made and imperfect.
Then I finally gave in one day when a friend at school invited me to her church. I figured why not, my parents had been talking about it anyway. Then she showed me Flyleaf. That band helped open my eyes, the meaning and spirituality behind the songs and everything struck me in a good way. It proved to me that not all Christians were the stuffy, old traditional stereotype. I looked into Scripture, talked to my parents more (My dad is a Bible genius).
It takes time, and surely won't happen over night. All Christians struggle from time to time. The biggest thing I stress is to not let people become between you and God. Humans are imperfect, and many are zombies. They can be hateful and want to have power and control. Go to God for God and His Love, and keep the haters out of your way.
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