Amazing.....?Why?????4444444
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macoooo Advanced5 – Allaah, may He be exalted, forgave him (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) all his sins, past and future.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Verily, We have given you (O Muhammad) a manifest victory. That Allaah may forgive you your sins of the past and the future, and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path”[al-Fath 48:1-2]
6 – He was called as a Prophet and Messenger
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“O Prophet (Muhammad)! Verily, We have sent you as witness, and a bearer of glad tidings, and a warner”[al-Ahzaab 33:45]
“O Messenger (Muhammad)! Proclaim (the Message) which has been sent down to you from your Lord. And if you do not, then you have not conveyed His Message. Allaah will protect you from mankind. Verily, Allaah guides not the people who disbelieve”[al-Maa’idah 5:67]
His fellow Prophets were called by their names only.
7 – Allaah commanded His Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to follow the guidance of the Prophets, peace be upon them.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“They are those whom Allaah had guided. So follow their guidance”[al-An’aam 6:90]
Shaykh ‘Abd al-Rahmaan al-Sa’di (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: This means: Walk, O noble Messenger, behind these good Prophets, and follow their way. He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) obeyed the command and followed the guidance of the Messengers who came before him, thus acquiring all the qualities of perfection that they had which made him superior to all of creation. Thus he is the leader of the Messengers and the imam of the pious. May the blessing and peace of Allaah be upon them all.
From this evidence the Sahaabah understood that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was the best of all the Messengers. Tafseer al-Sa’di (p. 263).
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macoooo AdvancedHe said
How can Muslims believe that Allah gave the Quran to Muhammad, as nobody saw it? He could have made up everything by himself.
Thanks for the question.
I’ll prove that Quran was given by Allah and Muhammad (PBUH) didn’t make it Himself.
Logic 1. If Muhammad (PBUH) had written the holy Quran, then He would have praised Him in everywhere in the book. Since Allah gave the holy book, you see that all the praises are Allah’s. Only the true lord can praise Himself in such a way.
Logic 2. If Muhammad (PBUH) had written the Quran, then He wouldn’t have been mentioned in such a helpless way. Yes, in many verses of Quran, you’ll see that Muhammad (PBUH) is presented as a mere creation of Allah. As for example, sura Duha is enough to understand this. Sura Qasas and many other suras reveal that all the power is in Allah’s hands.
Logic 3. If Muhammad (PBUH) had written the Quran, then He would have called people to worship Him, not Allah.
Logic 4. If Muhammad (PBUH) had written the Quran, then He couldn't have been able to mention a lot of things that were unknown to people till that time.
Logic 5. If Muhammad (PBUH) had written the Quran, then He would have been engaged in thinking and writing the book almost all of His lifetime.
Logic 6. If Muhammad (PBUH) had written the Quran, then the literature and the tone that were used in the verses of Quran would be similar to the authentic hadith of Him.
Logic 7. If Muhammad (PBUH) had written the Quran, then He wouldn’t have been able to mention a lot of things regarding the future that are now being proven one by one with the advancement of modern technology.
Logic 8. If Muhammad (PBUH) had written the Quran, then His name were presented in the book most of the times than those of other prophets. In fact, the name Moses was mentioned more than Muhammad.
All the revelations on all the prophets were more or less like this. And nobody saw a thing doesn’t mean that it’s not true.
If I hit you with a stone and there comes no scar on your body, will you argue that the hitting wasn’t true. Your pain will reveal that you were hit with something.
The same way, at the time of the revelation of the first verse of Quran, the angel, Gabriel had hugged our prophet very strongly that everybody could see that He was shocked with something.
And everybody knows the aftermath of that - the holy Quran.
So, nobody should be fooled by the unwise concepts like Quran was written by Muhammad (PBUH).
No creature can create a magnificent thing like Quran and Allah challenges that in the book too.
Finally, If Muhammad (PBUH) had written the Quran, then He wouldn’t have written a verse to challenge that nobody could create a single verse of Quran because of the suspicion that somebody may be able to do so.
And here’s not the end. If you justify the Quran with adequate knowledge, then you’ll see that it’s impossible to create a book like Quran. It’s intact and will be as it was forever because Allah Himself has taken the responsibility of doing so.
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macoooo AdvancedMany parts of the Bible have been distorted by unknown writers
The Bible, as I said, is distorted when it describes the prophets and Christ drinking wine and behaving without their minds. This is a mistake.
Because the prophets communicate the word of God to the people, so would God send a drunken prophet who does not know what to say?
Muslims respect the prophets and defend their honor and dignity, especially the Prophet Christ,
The prophets are innocent of spreading corruption on earth because they are the most honorable people and God's messengers on earth
The souls of the prophets in the Paradise, and with them are the souls of the martyrs and the righteous who died from our nation and previous nations as well. As for the bodies, they are all on earth, including the bodies of the prophets,
And that the first person to enter Paradise will be blessed with his soul and body, our Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him,
Jesus, peace be upon him, (with his body and soul) is in one of the seven heavens, not in the Paradise
The miracles of Christ in his time, only
God gave the miracles to Christ
like healing people
But now Christ does not heal nor save anyone
Just personal experiences that don't matter
Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’’
Matthew 7.
"And this is life eternal, that they might know THEE, the ONLY true God and Jesus Christ whom THOU hast sent", I HEARD, YOU are the ONLY TRUE God and I am HIS messenger!!! THIS was the mission of Jesus on this earth, to call HIS people to the worship of the ONLY true God and to show HIS people that THEIR God sent him with wonders, signs and miracles to prove that he was indeed sent as a messenger TO them!!! This has been the way of the Creator, to send MEN with signs and wonders as their bona fides, to prove who they are, so that the people believe!
You prefer and believe the parts of the Bible that say Jesus drank corrupting wine both in the Passover Feast and the Last Supper, and you believe the people who describe him as a drunkard
That's your business
The correct verses that forbid wine in the Bible are clear, so why leave them and go to the questionable verses?
The Qur’an is the final revelation that corrects the previous books and clarifies the correct parts in them that suit the interests of the people
The Qur’an forbids drinking alcohol, fornication, usury, gambling, drugs, and forbidden relationships, and calls for the worship of the One God, not idolatry or human worship.
Islam protects humanity from dangers that modern systems and other religions have failed to treat
Islam succeeded in solving these problems. Once a person embraces Islam, he refrains from these things that harm him and harm society
Therefore, Islam is worth studying now
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Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’’
^Your reference
21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!'
^Full Scripture from the Bible
If you're going to quote the Bible, at least do it correctly. Leaving out the fact that Jesus said "but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven." twists the Bible to make it sound as though Jesus immediately rejects people for no reason.
Religion is a devotion, and regardless of whom you serve, you still would have to follow their ways and statutes in order to be considered devoted and worshiping them. That is the base of religion. Needless to say, if you are not doing the will of the one you claim to worship, you are not their follower.
And you can look in any translation you want, bit they all clarify that only the people who do God's will may enter heaven. -
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macoooo AdvancedThe Bible has been corrupted and destroyed by unknown writers
The correct verses in the Holy Bible are the ones that Muslims should consider because these verses represent the teachings of the Old and New Testaments in the time of Prophet Moses and Jesus, peace be upon them.
This is how obedience to God’s prophets is in the Bible and the Qur’an
Because their teachings are one through one God (the Father).
Very few true verses mentioned by the Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him, are consistent with the sayings of the previous prophets and Islam
But the Bible now is mostly incorrect
Christians are delusional and deceive themselves into believing things that simply cannot be true
25 And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins.”
Mk-11-25
34 Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”[a] And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.
Lk-23-34
Christ did not say, I forgive you, and you must ask forgiveness from the Father, and Christ taught the disciples and believers in his message to ask for forgiveness from the Father
You are as wrong as Peter
Christ described Peter as a demon,
Peter believed that Christ forgives sins
but Christ is not God to forgive sins
He said to him: 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[a] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
Can a person forgive with a word, and the Lord of man is unable to do so?!
How do people's minds think?
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do you have any sources to prove that all versions of bible are corruptions of God's word?
If not I have to assume that this is just religious discrimination.
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macoooo Advancedyes
Christian Scholars Recognize Contradictions in the Bible ...
In fact, entire books of the Bible were forged. This doesn’t mean their content is necessarily wrong, but it certainly doesn’t mean it’s right. So which books were forged? Ephesians, Colossians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, 1 and 2 Peter, and Jude—a whopping nine of the twenty-seven New Testament books and epistles—are to one degree or another suspect.
Forged books? In the Bible?
Why are we not surprised? After all, even the gospel authors are unknown. In fact, they’re anonymous Biblical scholars rarely, if ever, ascribe gospel authorship to Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John. As Ehrman tells us, “Most scholars today have abandoned these identifications, and recognize that the books were written by otherwise unknown but relatively well-educated Greek-speaking (and writing) Christians during the second half of the first century.”Graham Stanton affirms, “The gospels, unlike most Graeco-Roman writings, are anonymous. The familiar headings which give the name of an author (‘The Gospel according to …’) were not part of the original manuscripts, for they were added only early in the second century.
None of the original manuscripts have survived from the early Christian period. The most ancient complete manuscripts (Vatican MS. No. 1209 and the Sinaitic Syriac Codex) date from the fourth century, three hundred years after Jesus’ ministry. But the originals? Lost. And the copies of the originals? Also lost. Our most ancient manuscripts, in other words, are copies of the copies of the copies of nobody-knows-just-how-many copies of the originals.
No wonder they differ
Comparisons between The Majority (KJV) and Minority (NIV) Texts
Christians changed the Bible of King James 5 times as they want - Deedat !!!
Bible Contradictions - Prof. Bart Ehrman
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macoooo AdvancedYour scholars criticize your Bible, not the Islamic mentality as you imagine
With historical evidence
It appears after the fall of the Bible and the scandal of its distortion
Christians began to say this is a spiritual book, this is a historical book, This is a book that I don't care about
It is surprising that they know their alleged Lord from this book
They cite the verses of this book on the crucifixion, redemption, and the Trinity, and consider it a reference to them despite its distortion
Even Christian theologians, academics and scholars examine the BibleThey proved its distortion scientifically and historically
And you follow Paul and not this teaching of Christ through your Bible
Paul's words in your Bible,
Therefore, you cannot deny the existence of your book despite its distortion, because it is a reference to you
The Qur'an is not like the Bible
The Qur’an is God’s book, so no one dares to tamper with it
Muslims follow God's words and not their whims like other false religions
Islam is a correction of previous books and it is the last message to all mankind
It is necessary to believe in Islam because it is the religion of all the prophets to worship God (the Father) only
Because every prophet came to his people for a specific period and his message ended
Like Christ, He came for the lost sheep of Israel only
16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.
John 10:16
the fact that Jesus was speaking to a Jewish audience.His ministry was confined to the sheep of Israel.
7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the adoor of the sheep. 8 All that ever came before me aare thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
John 10:7
Moreover, if the thieves and robbers included earlier prophets, then surely Jesus would be speaking ill of Moses, Abraham and David and that just wouldn't make sense.
It's more likely that Jesus was talking about contemporaries. Jesus wasn't the only "teacher" or miracle-working Jew around. There were others. He could have been calling these other teachers and miracle-workers "thieves and robbers."
If Jesus' audience were Jews, he may have been talking about non-Jews/Gentiles.
must acknowledge that there is one God and turn away from idolatry. Therefore, one way is to become a Muslim.
The difference between Islam and Christianity is that Islam absolutely forbids paganism while Christianity permits "paganism" . Islam is strict.
Christianity is liberal and lenient.
Christianity now opposes the teachings of Jesus, the previous prophets, and the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon them
It is permissible in Christianity to drink wine, usury, fornication, gambling and drugs
It is clear that the sect of Christianity who believed Jesus to be a human Prophet and nothing more, and Father is only God were following the true teachings of Jesus. This is because their concept of God is the same as that which was taught by the Prophets in the Old Testament.
Islam is not just another religion. It is the same message preached by Moses, Jesus and Abraham. Islam literally means ‘submission to God’ and it teaches us to have a direct relationship with God. It reminds us that since God created us, no one should be worshipped except God alone. It also teaches that God is nothing like a human being or like anything that we can imagine. The concept of God is summarized in the Quran as:
“Say, He is God, the One. God, the Absolute. He does not give birth, nor was He born, and there is nothing like Him.” (Quran 112:1-4)[4]
Becoming a Muslim is not turning your back to Jesus. Rather it’s going back to the original teachings of Jesus and obeying him.
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macoooo Advancedno problem
The book of God never changes, and no one is allowed to add or delete from it, and this is what happened to the Bible, as it is not the true words of God now
There were no manuscripts until the beginning of the second century
manuscripts was the size of a small card
How do we care about a book that has no origin?
Even today's manuscripts are of dubious authenticity, and each manuscript is not identical to the other
Christ spoke the Aramaic language
However, you will not find the original source of the Bible as a reference for Christians in the Aramaic language, but only translations in different languages such as Greek and other languages. You do not have a reliable and original source to correct the mistakes of the writers and the incorrect translation.
The Bible was not recorded directly
But
After 300 years after the Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him
Bible verses are written down
Without trustworthy witnesses
Because they were not present at the time of Jesus, peace be upon him
Even the Old Testament was written down
One thousand years after the death of the Prophet moses peace be upon him
Jesus did not write the bible that was revealed by God. Not even was it written immediately after his departure. He did not order or desire at any time in his life to write anything on his behalf. Therefore, the Bible which is in circulation today is not a representation of Jesus' teachings.
Out of the total of 27 Books of the New Testament, more than half is authored by Paul. As opposed to Paul, the Master has not written a single word of the twenty-seven books. If you can lay your hands on what is called "'A Red Letter Bible," you will find every word alleged to have been uttered by Jesus - in red ink and the rest in normal black ink. Don't be shocked to find that in this so called Gospel of Jesus, over ninety percent of the 27 Books of the New Testament is printed in black ink!
None of the original manuscripts have survived from the early Christian period. The most ancient complete manuscripts (Vatican MS. No. 1209 and the Sinaitic Syriac Codex) date from the fourth century, three hundred years after Jesus’ ministry. But the originals? Lost. And the copies of the originals? Also lost. Our most ancient manuscripts, in other words, are copies of the copies of the copies of nobody-knows-just-how-many copies of the originals.
No wonder they differ
Comparisons between The Majority (KJV) and Minority (NIV) Texts
New Testament of the Bible regarding Jesus by Yusha ...
We all know the Quran today
We literally have 1400 year old Quran's to verify it, not to mention its always been an oral tradition. Millions today can recite the Quran cover to cover from MEMORY and it has always been this way.
I frequently point out all those who hate Islam today can't find the ability to change a single letter. Look at China, a nation of a BILLION. They have went on record saying they will write there own Quran and this was how many years ago? Where is it?
And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah, if you should be truthful. (2:23 Quran)
1400 years and many haters of Islam have lived and died. Where is their Quran? Why do we only have one Quran today?
Why has EVERY generation failed to produce one surah
To this day there is one Quran. In the original language that it was revealed in.
Indeed God has claimed in the Quran kareem that He himself protects it and we see the proof of this today.
Compare this to the 20,000 changes!! in Bibles today. So many you yourself have to select specific versions.
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macoooo AdvancedThe mainstream Islamic view is as follows:
Angels = They always obey God and never disobey Him, because they are free of desires
Humans and Jinn = They have a free will and can decide whether to obey or disobey God and are therefore accountable for their deeds
Prophets [/ Messengers] of God (peace be upon them) = Humans who have been chosen by God [to deliver His message]; they obey God to the best of their abilities and do not knowingly disobey Him.
Satan = He's from the Jinn and due to his arrogance he decided to disobey God and animate others to follow his footsteps in disbelief and disobedience
As for the revelation of the Qur`an, then yes it was upon our noble Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) through Jibril (peace be upon him), who is one of the greatest of Angels in status and rank in the sight of the Almighty.
Jinn are basically spirits and they are of two kinds:
Good ones, who believe in God, and evil ones, who disbelieve in Him and are therefore devils.
As for evil being a creation of God: While we do believe that everything is created by God in general and that there is no Creator besides Him in reality, we also believe that He hasn't created things as inherently evil, rather He has given one the choice to do good or to do evil, but commanded good and forbidden evil.
This means that satan was not inherently evil, rather he chose the way of disobedience and disbelief.
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How I came to Islam
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A quick thought
According to your theology,
-Angels don't disobey God because they are free of desires
-lucifer was an angel
-lucifer chose to disobey God
-lucifer then had his own desires that directly contradicted God
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macoooo Advanced-lucifer was't an angel but Jinn
Humans and Jinn = They have a free will and can decide whether to obey or disobey God and are therefore accountable for their deeds
Satan = He's from the Jinn and due to his arrogance he decided to disobey God and animate others to follow his footsteps in disbelief and disobedience
Jinn are basically spirits and they are of two kinds:
Good ones, who believe in God, and evil ones, who disbelieve in Him and are therefore devils.
As for evil being a creation of God: While we do believe that everything is created by God in general and that there is no Creator besides Him in reality, we also believe that He hasn't created things as inherently evil, rather He has given one the choice to do good or to do evil, but commanded good and forbidden evil.
This means that satan was not inherently evil, rather he chose the way of disobedience and disbelief.
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