god doesn't exist lol
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Thread Topic: god doesn't exist lol
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_water_ NewbieThat's it
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_water_ NewbieIt's all just made up stories that some guy who had nothing else to do with his life made
Lol this is my opinion anyway
So how is there a god if everything is still bad and how come the so called 'god' would torture people like me who have s--- lives by 'creating' us?? -
_water_ NewbieThe world wasn't made 2000 or whatever years ago lol
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_water_ NewbieWhat proof is there that 'god' exists hmm??
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What proof is there that he doesn't
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Youre being disrespectful Water. While I personally dont believe in God, I respect others rights to believe in him as long as they dont hurt people and use God as an excuse. They have the right to their opinion just like I have the right to mine. Youre probably just doing this to get people riled up or youre trying to force people to believe in your opinion.
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DarknessNight NewbieI'm going to respect your opinions, but while I am doing that, I am going to give you my own.
The King James version of the bible is the most accurate text that people have from the actual Hebrew tongue. As for man writing the Bible, you are half-way correct on that. Man did write the word of God, but he was inspired by the voice of God.
As for how old the Earth is, scientifically speaking it's 4.54 billion years old, with an exception of at least 50 million years. If you are looking at it from a Biblical perspective, it's 15,000 or 6,000 years old. If you are just looking at a Bible for specific calculations, of course your not going to get any. At the beginning of the Bible, we don't know how long Adam and Eve were in the garden of Eden, so the scientific number could be correct, but whether you look at it from a biblical perspective, or a scientific answer, none are complete. No one knows when the earth was officially created.
As for why God would "torture people", listen to this.
"Humans have the ability to make their mark on this world, for good or for bad. This is why we see extremes such as Adolf Hitler and Mother Teresa.
Humans are not automatically 'clued in' about the existence of a Higher Being. But the incredible number of spiritual paths points to the fact that most people are interested in finding out..."
God gives us as humans, free will. This is proven in Galatians 5:13, which reads, "You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love."
Your actions, and the actions of people around you are based on free will, which is what we as humans were gifted with. If your life is crappy (trust me, I know where you are coming from), that isn't God's fault. It's the people around you that are causing that. -
... That does it...
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No one believes it was created 2000 years ago, if you thought people actually think that, youre seriously retarded, this just sounds like you blaming things that happened to you on something that people believe in, so stop being a little b---- and learn actual facts before you assume
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^I agree. But Please don't say retarded if you care about facts.
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Guys here's some cool facts :D
It's mostly agreed that the Bible had around 40 different authors to write up the 66 books of the bible over 1500 years across 3 continents. And if you check it out closely, all the facts line up, from the old testament to the new. The eyewitness accounts are all the same. Numerous prophecies were fulfilled throughout the centuries. Every promise God made has either come true, or is still coming true. It's crazy how closely it lines up. Coincidence? That would take more belief to think it's all a coincidence than to accept God.
I heard once the odds of every prophecy in the Bible coming true. Say you took a thin mint cookie, licked the icing off of one side, and threw it into a bunch of other thin mint cookies, enough cookies to cover the state of Texas, 3 ft high (I believe it was 3 ft). And then you tried to find the cookie with the licked off icing. You finding that cookie is the odds of every prophecy in the bible coming true. And with the bible being written over 1500 years, we were able to see those prophecies come true. -
Stardust, can you provide some references? Your argument is completely based off of trusting your word. That...just isn't convincing. You need to give some evidence if you want to be taken seriously.
What prophecies have come true? Be specific. What evidence do you have to back up the cookie analogy? Or do you just believe whatever your pastor says because you're desperate to hang onto that last thread of hope because the idea that life has no greater meaning is terrifying to you? -
Oh sure I'll bring some references. I just didn't know if anybody would be interested in what I had to say.
I'll show you some specific prophecies, but it'll take me a while to type it out so bear with me.
Um, I'm not desperate. I don't just take my pastor's word for everything, and I don't recommend anyone doing that. I've been shown where to look, and I've been able to read for myself in the bible what my pastor talks about. And I've gotten to know my pastor and his family personally. I trust him. I'll see if I can find the reference he used and get back to you, if you actually care to read what I have to say. -
I'm patient. I didn't ask for evidence just to ignore it, I'm genuinely interested.
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Cool. :) Of course, you might prefer to look it all up on your own if you really are interested.
About the authorship of the bible, it really is somewhat of a history book. Amazing how many people wrote the bible. It definitely wasn't some crackpot person with nothing better to do. Check this out, I really couldn't explain it better than this.
I don't think anyone could deny there are 66 books of the bible.
As for the bible being written over 1500 years. Here's some dates.
I'm not the only one saying this guys. You can easily find these answers for yourself, you just got to look. You don't need me to find the facts. It says it again here:
and this site is pretty cool. And here:
The books Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John in the new testament were written by different authors, each describing the life of Jesus. All of the facts from their accounts line up. Pick up a bible yourself and read the history. It's pretty cool.
For the prophecies! These are fun. (Taking these words from other sites.)
There are numerous prophecies about events that happened in The Old Testament, that came true; God told Moses that Moses was going to bring the people out of Egypt, the prophecies about Israel being taken into captivity into Babylon, the prophecies of Daniel about the kingdoms that would follow. You can look these up in the bible.
Here's what another person had to say.
Prophecy: Isa. 44:24, 27, 28; 45:1-4:
Fulfillment: Cyrus had not been born when the prophecy was written. The Jews were not taken into exile to Babylon until 617-607 B.C.E., and Jerusalem and its temple were not destroyed until 607 B.C.E. In detail the prophecy was fulfilled starting in 539 B.C.E. Cyrus diverted the waters of the Euphrates River into an artificial lake, the river gates of Babylon were carelessly left open during feasting in the city, and Babylon fell to the Medes and Persians under Cyrus. Thereafter, Cyrus liberated the Jewish exiles and sent them back to Jerusalem with instructions to rebuild Jehovahs temple there.
Prophecy: Jer. 49:17, 18:
Fulfillment: They [the Edomites] were driven from Palestine in the 2nd century B.C. by Judas Maccabus, and in 109 B.C. John Hyrcanus, Maccaban leader, extended the kingdom of Judah to include the w. part of Edomitic lands. In the 1st century B.C. Roman expansion swept away the last vestige of Edomitic independence . . . After the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 A.D. . . . the name Iduma [Edom] disappeared from history. (The New Funk & Wagnalls Encyclopedia, 1952, Vol. 11, p. 4114) Notice that the fulfillment extends down to our day. In no way can it be argued that this prophecy was written after the events had taken place.
Prophecy: Luke 19:41-44; 21:20, 21:
Fulfillment: Jerusalem revolted against Rome, and in 66 C.E. the Roman army under Cestius Gallus attacked the city. But, as Jewish historian Josephus reports, the Roman commander suddenly called off his men, abandoned hope though he had suffered no reverse, and flying in the face of all reason retired from the City. (Josephus, the Jewish War, Penguin Classics, 1969, p. 167) This provided opportunity for Christians to flee from the city, which they did, moving to Pella, beyond the Jordan, according to Eusebius Pamphilus in his Ecclesiastical History. (Translated by C. F. Crus, London, 1894, p. 75) Then around Passover time of the year 70 C.E. General Titus besieged the city, an encircling fence 4.5 miles (7.2 km) long was erected in just three days, and after five months Jerusalem fell. Jerusalem itself was systematically destroyed and the Temple left in ruins. Archaeological work shows us today just how effective was the destruction of Jewish buildings all over the land.The Bible and Archaeology (Grand Rapids, Mich.; 1962), J. A. Thompson, p. 299.
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Reasoning from the Scriptures
Another:
The fall of Jerusalem, Jesus said The Temple would be demolished. The return of the Jews to Israel.
The fall of Israel
33 I will scatter you among the nations and will draw out my sword and pursue you. Your land will be laid waste, and your cities will lie in ruins
The return.
Isaiah 49:13-17, the Lord makes it clear that even though the people of Israel are to be exiled from their land, the Lord will never forget them, and the Lord would eventually bring the exiles back to their homeland.
Enemies would move into the land of Israel
The Crucifixion is discribed in Psalm 22
Daniel predicted the four great kingdoms
Bible passage: Daniel 2:32-33
Written: About 530 BC
Edom would be toppled and humbled
Bible passage: Jeremiah 49:16
Written: Sometime between 626-586 BC
I like this person's response:
The book of Daniel probably has the most fulfilled prophecies about all the kingdoms coming about by name and what would happen before it did. Names of kings, kingdoms, and events in specifics. Also the return of Israel to their land in 1948. Never before has a race been taken from their land and stayed a race for that long and returned to their land. Especially under the pressure that they are under it is 100 to 1. This is a sign of the last days because the Temple must be rebuilt before the Anti Christ blasphemously sets himself up as God in it.
True, the book of Daniel does have a lot of fulfilled prophecies. The best thing to do is to really read it yourself.
And there are hundreds of prophecies in the bible, if you want more just ask. :)
For the cookie representation, I'm going to have to ask my pastor about that reference. So that response might take a while sorry. Unless I can find it on my own. Hmm.
I mean a lot of the bible is spiritual, but a lot of it is also history and facts. And it's really cool. You should check it out.
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