Faith is not a virtue
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Thread Topic: Faith is not a virtue
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For all of you who saying you are losing your faith, I say good on ya. Faith is nothing more than irrational belief. If you are losing your faith, it simply means you are beginning to think for yourself. Faith is not a virtue, reason is. Don't waste your life pleasing an imaginary man in the sky and the corrupt phonies who claim to know his will.
I can say a lot more about this topic. But I'll hold back for now. I hope this will be enough to spark a productive conversation with the people who need it. -
-_- It's people like you that make us hate atheists. Always gotta cut us down well I guess you don't wanna see your family or your pet after you die, but thats your choice. You don't wanna have a better life than this s---hole, that's fibe with me, cause I do.
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Ok, not the response I hoped for, but I expected at least one person might be a little cranky.
The only thing you can be certain about is this life. You don't know that you will live again on Earth or anywhere else. It's a possibility yes, but it is better to stake your life on certainties than on possibilities. -
Godschild NewbieSo who you enough to hurt you faith so you don't believe anymore
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Some people derive value and power from strict materialistic thought processes. People like you and me. We place emphasis on the belief that there is a constant under constant conditions and through scientific method, we find the patterns that make the world go round.
Thats great, but dont be mistaken, its pure egocentrism and willful ignorance to believe that our process is the only one through which is possible to be the best version of oneself. -
Tony, are you stating that making assumptions is potentially a better version of ones self? Or that faith in general is? I'm not really buying what you're selling here friend. Also, nice job with the generalization. Believe it or not, it's more of a logical conclusion than ego-centrism and willful ignorance. I won't say that logic is better because it f---ing makes me feel better about myself. And claiming I'm saying it because I lack information is a hollow statement; especially when you aren't providing even an example of what the information we're missing is. So claiming that feeling that way is egocentric and ignorant, is the most ignorant thing posted in this thread so far. And that's saying a lot.
Speaking of really ignorant things stated in this thread. Alex; shall we dissect that post piece by piece? I think so.
You started off with a classic line. "people like you..." both ambiguous, and allusive. We all know what you meant by "people like you", but you never had to come out and say it. So now later, if I were to actually hold you to that, you would be able to change your definition of "people like you" so that it would always be something different. Poor play friend.
Further more, shall we look at "hate atheists." That's a little harsh, isn't it? Although looking at what the rest of your post looks like, appealing to maturity or keeping emotional appeal out of this chat wasn't exactly your intent.
"Always gotta cut us down." Plain and simple, it really doesn't take a lot. Cutting you down is pretty much any logical observation ever. Or a close look at your convictions. Or any close look at your holy scripture. Or your religions history. I could go on but I wont.
"Well I guess you don't wanna see your family or your pet after you die, but that's your choice..." You see, here's where what I mentioned before comes in. The emotional appeal and logical break down. It's not exactly a choice. You can choose to believe something, but for us sorry and damned non-believers it's either lie and dedicate ourselves to something we don't have any reason to believe, or be damned by people of faith. A choice requires an option; however if I do not believe that the alternative actually exists, then I am prevented from making a choice.
"You don't wanna have a better life than this s---hole, that's fibe with me, cause I do." Wow, so you apparently think this world is a s--- hole. Sucks to be you I guess. I'll appreciate it for what it offers me. Life isn't a waiting room, Alex. It really concerns me when people allude to the idea that they think it is. That's like, almost as concerning as when people say "Without God, what keeps you from killing?" Like, seriously?
Please let me know because I really do want to understand that thought process. Anyway, this delve into mind sets and word choices has turned into an unappealing block of text. Toodle-pip! -
Im not saying that by approaching the world from a materialist attitude you lose any information. Im saying that dualism is inherently no less of a valid system of thinking.
there comes a point where we can no longer reasonably answer the question "why?" Using any known system. Faith is isnt a characteristic of dualism, or materialism. Its not a trait that is only inherint in the religious either. Faith, is a neccesery component of decision because motivation is key to our minds which our capable of metacognitive function and self awareness. That motivation can only derived if we put faith in something. Othsrwise you get stuck in a solipsism loop or some such othr pointless nonesense.
Faith itself is really a trait which is unquestionably useful.
And while Im personally personally motivated by placing my faith according to materialist based ideology, its plainly evident that number 1: plenty of of people who achieve success by cultural and realistic standards are of different ideologies, and number 2: nature exists as it is for solid reasons. Generally speaking, we can make a safe bet that evolution is a little more savvy than ourselves, so i aould tend to er on the side of letting people develop on their own, and let natrual pressures run their course.
Which is what leads me to think a person who is apperently concsious of the patterns and sects, but wpuld see it altered to their own tastes is pretty short sighted and obtuse
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