Has Obama Met Your Expectations?
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Thread Topic: Has Obama Met Your Expectations?
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Peter Principle NoviceA lot of people don't know what socialism means. Think about the proposal you are calling socialist. Does it include the government running the health care system like in the UK? No. Does it even include a government-run insurance company to compete with the private companies? No, that was taken out. So what's left is a system where private practices remain private. Hospitals, clinics and pharmacies all remain private entities as before. And private insurance companies still still run the show on medical insurance. Besides some new regulations that most people agree on, there isn't a hint of socialism in this reform proposal. It's quite moderate and not too different from what Republicans have proposed in the past.
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Kevin Rudd vs. Obama!!!
WHO WOULD WIN? -
RANDOM SPARTAN!!!
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tongue NewbieYeah I think it's safe to say the Tea Partiers and other people of their ilk don't really know what socialism is. I'd love to see a video of them trying to say what it is. They probably don't know what's even in the health care bill. Basically the opposition to this bill is blind, uninformed rage manufactured by special interests. It's very sad that our political system works this way, where we can't have a civil national conversation about big issues like health care.
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tongue NewbieI really don't support the health care bill at this point- anything without a public option is insufficient. The whole health care debate of the last year is just the biggest indication yet that our political system no longer works. At this point I'd favor a revolution abolishing the government and powerful corporations. It seems like that's the only option left at this point.
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The Godfather NewbieAs in this happened in the country Bush is running, so not his fault. He can't watch all of us. Look into it on multiple sources.
And clearly you are voting for Obama based on idealogy. You yourself said you are unsatisfied with him yet you would revote him?
look at what's happening to the country under him! -
The Godfather NewbieHey Peter Principle- what the hell are you talking about? There isn't a hint of Socialism in the health care proposal? Are a a Communist? Health care for everyone! If that's not Socialist and it's moderate call me Hitler.
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tongue NewbieWell, Peter, I guess the guinea pig proves your point- the sheep really don't know what socialism is. Like I said- it's blind, uninformed rage.
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So they're NOT doing the government-run healthcare plan? That's lame...
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The Godfather NewbieI don't understand the whole guinea pig comparison?
Universal health care is run in Socialist countries. What's not Socialist about it?
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tongue NewbieThe current plan before Congress has no public option, which means health care would not be provided directly by the government to anyone.
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The Godfather NewbieActually, that is wrong. If you have heard what both Democratic and Republican senators are discussing, the Bill requires people obtaining health care, otherwise they must pay a tax. No public option doesn't mean only few people get it. It means everyone gets it for free, but if you chose not to, you get a tax.
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tongue NewbieBut it's not the government providing health care- it's the government requiring people to buy it, which is more akin to fascism than anything. An individual mandate is absolute bulls--- when the government doesn't want to provide health care to those who can't afford and would ultimately be better off financially going to the free clinic. The whole bill has essentially become corporate welfare, a giveaway to the health care industry. The current bill without a public option is only going to worsen the situation.
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Peter Principle NovicePolitics is ugly business. I don't think this bill goes far enough, either. And I'm disappointed by that. We're the only country in the developed world without affordable, universal health care.
But that vision for health care, in the US, is confronted by powerful forces that sadly we have to work around. A dictator could abolish the for-profit health insurance industry with a stroke of the pen, but here we have to find a solution that pleases them as well as numerous other groups like the doctors' assocations, drug companies, unions, AARP, and so on. Making it all work is near impossible, so with that in mind I have to have some respect that the House and Senate actually passed a bill. Now they just have to agree on it. -
tongue NewbieYou make some good points, Peter, but I think that a public option could have been passed, and still can be through reconciliation, but the Democratic leadership has been playing too safe all along. Those are just my thoughts, though.
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