duke it out homeboys
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Thread Topic: duke it out homeboys
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We don't have demons in our myths, thank you. But yes. We would chase out spirits, that clung to us from the year before. We wpuld ward of the fommorions, and protect ourself from bad luck. However , it was a day fo the dead. Where you'd honour and worship past loved ones and ancestors.
Modern Halloween is a commercialisation in the country of America. And its compeltley harmless. And very very pagan in origin.
Calling it Demonic is wrong. -
No, there's other religions that both draw from. I'm not sure why you brought up Judaism? There's stories in the bible that we see interpreted in different manners in much older sources
Karna to Moses
Gilgamesh and dionysus and cu chuliann to jesus
They're common routes, and they're all linked. As is the case of anthropology. Culture evolves with its people. Which it should, you know? -
Church of Satan or the satanic temple? Because summer mentioned there was some problematic dude in an actual cult of satanism so idk if that's the relevant religion but-
Pretty sure it was the Church of Satan, but it still stands that he played a very big role in the shaping of Satanism as we know it, so his personal views and ideals can give us insight on the values that this religion was founded on -
Yeah church of Satan is a [/neg] cult from what summer mentioned and not the one we're talking about.
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Karna to Moses
Gilgamesh and dionysus and cu chuliann to jesus
They're common routes, and they're all linked. As is the case of anthropology. Culture evolves with its people. Which it should, you know?
This is very interesting, I'll have to look into it more! But I would like to mention that just because one culture has it doesn't mean that it's a stolen/adopted idea, when in some cases it can even be the retelling of the same story, interpreted by different cultures and usually altered somewhat. Take the flood story for example. Many cultures have a story of a great flood wiping out the earth, with an exception of a family in a boat. Does that mean the very first to write it down was just copied by everyone else? It's an implausible explanation and is far more likely that the flood DID happen, and each culture told the story in its own way. -
Also, want to make it very clear that I'm not denying your religion. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of hyperfocusing on roots, while not really considering your own. Irish mythos has been shaped and changed by Christianity and norse myth, but its still true to me. Its still real.
This is my field of study and one I'm passionate in discussing, so I can help to explain the roots and connections within different cultures.
So many cultures have adapted each others stories of events like the great flood. Which originated from sumerian myth, arrived in Greece and then found its way to catholism. Its just how religions and folklore work. It's an interesting phenomena -
Yeah church of Satan is a [/neg] cult from what summer mentioned and not the one we're talking about.
I'm curious then, what qualifies as Satanism to you? If the Church of Satan and the Satanic Bible don't count, what is left and is this religion related to what is known as Satanism or is it actually something different entirely? -
I'm not saying they were stolen, but often times one culture was around to experience said event, wrote a myth explaining it and another looked at and said " Actually, our god would have done this so this is how it went"
It's not a case of stealing or adopting. It's actually a case of faith, shaping the belief. Which is what I've been saying this whole time. In the same way, there's stories that aren't shared.
Christianity doesn't have the Giants causeway, and irish paganism doesn't have the parting of the sea.
Each culture has its own myths, and standards. So we shouldn't judge on roots if we aren't willing to examine our own. -
[quote]Also, want to make it very clear that I'm not denying your religion. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of hyperfocusing on roots, while not really considering your own. Irish mythos has been shaped and changed by Christianity and norse myth, but its still true to me. Its still real.[/quote!]
While I do appreciate that sentiment, I'm not sure what you mean by that. I'm not ignoring the roots of Christianity, it's just that we are currently discussing Satanism, not Christianity. The core moral foundations of a religion are very telling and can give great insight onto the motive behind a religion and its practices. -
Hi, as I mentioned in the original thread I'm not a satanist. I'm going purely off of information summer shared, and how you answered my question.
I do not know what satanism is. All I know is that it's an atheist religion that had it tenants. Not every religion needs a bible or a scripture.
Its not that they don't count from what I understand its that you're looking at two seperate religions as the same because of their name? -
And again, I'm being general with my statements. I'm not saying you're ignoring Christianity and it's routes but I'm pointing out that the roots of where a religion started isn't what it is today.
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I'm not saying they were stolen, but often times one culture was around to experience said event, wrote a myth explaining it and another looked at and said " Actually, our god would have done this so this is how it went"
That absolutely does happen, yes, but I believe that the Bible is an accurate telling of history and not merely an assortment of adopted stories. You are more than free to disagree with me, but I'm just stating what I believe.
Each culture has its own myths, and standards. So we shouldn't judge on roots if we aren't willing to examine our own.
Again, that's not what I'm doing. If our discussion were about roots in general or Christianity, then definitely it would be worth looking into. But because the topic is Satanism, I'm doing research solely about Satanism since it's not plausible or logical to try and debate everything at once. -
Yeah, looked it up. Levay is from the older religion which is actually devil worship and not what we're talking about
Please research the satanic temple [ founded 2013] that's what the original thread was about not the church of Satan -
Spice, I believe I'm not communicating to you what I'm meaning with how religions gained their stories as you're really just repeating what I'm saying back to me, so I will be dropping that topic. I am not attempting to debate that the bibles stories aren't real /gen
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And again, I'm being general with my statements. I'm not saying you're ignoring Christianity and it's routes but I'm pointing out that the roots of where a religion started isn't what it is today.
And that can be true, but the foundation and absolute core of a religion usually remains the same or at least similar to my knowledge. Christianity for example is about being saved through faith in Christ, something that has remained the same for thousands of years. Satanism (or the Church of Satan at least) is far younger in comparison, since it was partially built as a negative (or opposite) mirror of Christianity and Christian values.
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