Cyberbullying
- Locked due to inactivity on Aug 4, '16 4:28pm
Thread Topic: Cyberbullying
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My oppinion is it is truly out of hand,
Not cyberbullying, the anti cyberbullying.
I am honestly shocked at the number of people who when they exercise 0 internet safety and then get bullied for posting nudies, or being fat, or whatever quite honestly had it coming. -
No one "has it coming."
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^ There we go. These are my words. I'm borrowing them from Appa.
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Nah, I'm gonna stand with Username on this one. If I leave my car unlocked in a bad neighborhood, I have no right to complain if I come back and it's stolen. There are certain things a person can do to lower their chances of being targeted, and if they don't do those things, they can't really complain about being targeted.
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So let's not do anything about murder victims! After all, they forgot to lock their door. They were just asking to get a knife in the ass.
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There have to be people willing to do that s--- in the first place for it to be a problem. Blame them, not the people they choose to f--- over.
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Now now, Appa, lets not exaggerate the issue or twist my words. Yes, Cyber-bullying is tragic, and something needs to be done about it. But if someone refuses to take the advice offered to them and lower their chances of being bullied, it's their own fault for not following the advice. Not the fault of the bully, not the fault of the person giving the advice. Their fault.
If I tell someone 'don't leave your car unlocked, it'll get stolen,' and they don't listen and the car is stolen.
How is that any different from 'don't post nudes, you'll get bullied,' and they don't listen and get bullied?
There is a degree of blame on both sides, and this notion that only the people willing to bully are in the wrong is just crazy. There are always going to be bullies, it's an unavoidable fact of life, but if you tell people that there's nothing they can do to prevent being bullied, and it's all the bullies fault their being bullied, you're actively hurting their ability to deal with it. Or, dare I say, prevent it. -
Or we can just decide as a group of people not to tolerate it and prevent and deal with it that way. Instead of blaming the victim.
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We already have, as a group, decided not to tolerate it and prevent it in any way we can. That's why it's such a big issue. Because there are literally thousands of people saying 'bullying is no good.' I can't think of a single person saying 'no, we need more bullying, it toughens up the kids.'
The problem is, the way we prevent it is by teaching good internet habits and giving advice to avoid cyber-bullying. And if the person ignores that advice, there's nothing more we can do. They've brought it on themselves. Short of kicking down the bully's door and arresting them via cyberpolice, we're limited to sitting back and hoping the victim takes our advice.
If they don't take the advice, there is no one else to blame. They are objectively in the wrong. They have objectively brought it upon themselves. -
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No one deserves to be bullied.
But alot of people deserve an reality check and a swift kick in the arse. -
I don't mean *just* preventative measures. I mean getting together and effectively kicking said bullying in the nether region.
For example, your example entails telling the guy to lock his doors to keep thieves out. If he leaves it unlocked for any reason, it's his fault.
My example involves not just giving advice, but actually doing something to help. If the guy leaves his doors unlocked, we'd either go after the thief and get the car back or get the guy a new car. And then we would try to find the thief's motivations- maybe they needed a car. We could then prevent further theft by helping them get a car. -
My example involves not just giving advice, but actually doing something to help. If the guy leaves his doors unlocked, we'd either go after the thief and get the car back or get the guy a new car. And then we would try to find the thief's motivations- maybe they needed a car. We could then prevent further theft by helping them get a car.
Not part of the argument. Disregarded. Stop trying to change the subject. This is a discussion on whether or not someone is responsible for their own bullying if they make themselves a target. Not on ways to prevent bullying.
If someone leaves their door unlocked, it is their fault. No one else holds their key, no one else is forcing them to keep it unlocked; they have complete control over whether or not the door is unlocked. Therefore, if the door is unlocked, they must face the consequences of their actions.
Tell me, why does this analogy change the moment we go online? Why are people's actions not held to the same standard when they're on the web? If they don't follow the advice set out to protect them, it is their fault for not following the advice. -
Is it stupid to not follow advice? Sure. That by no means makes them "deserving" of these things. The advice is there because we want to help them.
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That by no means makes them "deserving" of these things.
Did I say deserving at any point in any of my posts? I feel you might be getting confused here. No one deserves to be bullied, for any reason. (Unless they're a real c---; looking at you, DT.) But again, I will stress my point. The victim is not entirely blameless in these situations. If the victim does not take steps to avoid being targeted, it is not the bully's fault if they're targeted. It's their own fault, for not taking steps to avoid it.
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