Someone please explain this to me
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Thread Topic: Someone please explain this to me
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NASCAR got rid of the Confederate Flag.
But isn't that how NASCAR got started? Running shine and flying the Confederate flag?
Amazon and other companies that have Dukes of Hazzard are thinking about getting rid of the show because of the General Lee and the Confederate flag on top of the car.
Ok, I can kind of understand this one, but this is a classic show. Everyone loves how Bo and Luke are always getting into trouble with Boss Hog, when they're just trying to help everybody. Hardly any of the watchers are going to be freaking out because there's a Confederate flag on top of the car, and the car is called the General Lee.
Music teachers are looking for songs written by black people and "cannot in good conscience" teach their students the songs Camptown Races, or Oh Susannah, or I've been Working on the Railroad, or even music that isn't folk songs, because they're written by racists, or (in the case of the folk songs) talk about how the black people had to work. They're also looking for music composed by black people.
My mom is also a music teacher, and she can't figure out why they're doing this. You don't play a song because it was written by a black or a white person. You play it because you like the music.
Right now I'm learning Alla Turca by Mozart. I love how his music just flows off my fingers. And I've always loved that song. Because he's white? Absolutely not.
I'm suddenly worried I'll be playing one of my songs in the future, and someone is going to yell at me because I'm playing a song written by a racist, or it's not written by a black person so I can't play it. I just like the song! You don't play a song just because it's written by a nonracist, or it was written by a black person. I'm also worried there's going to start being restrictions on what music you can play and what you can't at the music comprtitions.
Or I'm at the grocery store, or out in public, or something, and I get Dixie's Land stuck in my head (if you know anything about me, it's that I get songs stuck in my head very easily, and once they're in, they're stuck good). Well, I'll probably start humming or whistling the tune, and everybody around me is going to completely overreact.
(Sorry I went off about the music thing. It's just that I love music and can't live without it.),
People are changing their names, or changing what they go by.
Ok, so let's say one of your names is Lee. Oh no! People are going to judge you because you have the same name as Robert E. Lee! I mean, really? It's a pretty common name. There's no need to freak out about it. Are so many people going to get angry at you because you have the same name and you didn't change what you're called by?
They're talking about taking down all these statues. (I don't remember which ones, or if they've taken some down already.)
So let's just ignore that this person ever existed. That sounds like a good idea. Let's get rid of that monument, because it reminds us too much of slavery. I just don't understand this at all.
To me it looks like they're trying to erase our history. Yes, the Civil War happened (it wasn't even entirely about slavery). Yes, slavery is bad. Yes, racism is bad. And so on.
But this is our history whether we like it or not. You can't just say, "I don't like how this guy from two hundred years ago did things. Let's get rid of him. We're not teaching things about him anymore." It's two hundred years ago. Deal with it.
Trying to forget it all happened isn't going to make it go away. You don't try to forget about the past to make things better. You learn from it.
It looks like they're trying to get rid of the Confederate flag. Well, then they'll have to get rid of how the South was, because that was their flag during the Civil War. Then the Civil War. Then they'll have to get rid of the fact that there was slavery, because that was one of the things for the Civil War. And so on and so forth, until what's left of our history? We're not a very old country. It's kind of hard not to notice something. Or are they going to rewrite history?
The people of this country might start thinking that nothing bad ever happened in our country. That we're the best, because we've never had any conflicts within ourselves.
You can't say it won't happen. We don't know what's going to happen in the future.
I'm not trying to sound rude or imconsiderate, but I'm not going to throw a temper tantrum because of our history, and how people lived. That's what this looks like to me. They don't like something so they're going to cry and scream about it until someone does something about it. These are just my thoughts. -
I believe that nobody should fly the Confederate flag. It should of course be totally legal to fly it because we have the first amendment but people shouldn't fly it. It's not patriotic it's a traitor flag and it really doesn't stand for anything other than the south wanting to be separate and often racist.
Getting rid of the dukes of hazard or music is stupid and just whitewashing.
I do agree that we should take down Confederate statues and move them into museums. We should not have monuments to enemy generals. We should keep all statues of other people tho.
People are overall taking this way too far and if it doesn't stop there will be serious long term problems. -
Yeah, I know it's unpatriotic, and all that. I'm just saying that that's how the thing got started. I mean, if someone is standing on the street corner waving the flag, and shouting about things, that's just...no.
Agreed.
Yeah, I don't know which statues and monuments, and stuff. I agree with you there. -
People are burning and tearing down statues of presidents who owned slaves and such. Like removing statues of Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Jackson.
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But I mean it really us part of our history and it seems like going after inanimate STATUES is a pretty petty thing to do. More serious race issues exist than taking down statues. Some of the ideas out there are getting a little silly
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Abraham Lincoln wasn't against slavery, just against it spreading to the West.
But still, he's the man that gave you your first steps to equality.
And these presidents did great things, and you're taking them down just for the fact that they owned slaves? That was just how people lived back then.
And you can't think of every slave owner as this plantation owner that mistreated, whipped, and abused their slaves, watching them do all the hard work, while they sit in their drawing room sipping tea. If I remember correctly, most people had one or two slaves, maybe more, and would get down on the ground and work with them. Some didn't have any at all -
In Christianity, I'm sure everyome would agree that Satan is a big part of the religion. He's talked about all the time. Yet they have no statues or monuments for him, because that would imply that Christianity worships him.
Have statues, monuments, and symbols that honor, idealize and promote our shameful history says to others that we aren't actually ashamed of it. Many who fly the confederate flag are even PROUD of it.
Getting rid of these statues and symbols won't erase it. It won't sponge these events from our history and make everyone forget. For example, in Germany, there are no monuments for Hitler, and yet everyone there knows who he is and what he did.
Racism and racial injustice in America goes a lot deeper than monuments, though. Slavery is skimmed over in school. We never really are taught the full gravity of what our ancestors did. No, it wasn't us, but yes it was part of our history. You can't be proud of your history while ignoring the f---ed up s--- that happened. And that's how a lot of people try to defend it.
I disagree with the music things. But f--- the Confederate flag and f--- Lee. You know he TORTURED his slaves, right? After he had them whipped, he'd have things poured onto their back to make their cuts burn. I'm not saying people should change their names, that's ridiculous. But I don't want a statue of him anywhere. f--- that guy. -
I did not know he did that. That's just awful.
Again, I don't know which ones they're wanting to be taken down, if they're bad people in our history, or anything, so you guys are going to have to fill me in.
I agree. Skimming over things is no good. My mom told me that she remembered when they took something out of the history books about the Cold War, and how she was so surprised that they left that part out. -
And the Confederate flag didn't used to be a symbol of rascism. It was Southern pride. You put us down but we're not going to stay down.
'Cause the North wasn't listening to them. They were being put down because they were from the South. Then after the war, even more so.
That's really what the flag was in Dukes of Hazzard. Southern pride. Not racism. -
The Civil War was fought over states rights to own slaves. The North wasn't listening to those rights, but that's not something ANYONE should be proud of defying today.
White people can interpret it however they want. For POC, it's still a symbol of slavery, pain, and atrocity. I don't think Dukes of Hazzard should stop airing, I just think it's time we move on. Imagine someone in Germany flying a Nazi flag because their ancestors fought for Hitler. See how that's not cool? -
Yeah, I see that. That's a bit of what I was saying in the first paragraph of my second post too.
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I've put in a request to lock this thread. I think I have all my answers.
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